(04-15-2014, 08:09 PM)UK1 Wrote: The Cookies base was built by me.
I was one of the base administrators.
The base was made by me,yes I also built the [ZA] bases but at no point is or was the cookies base zoner.
It was a daunmann base.
Thats interesting. It got changed into a Daumann base later to prevent it from getting shot by the Rheinland law people. So please try not to tell us funny stories, if you know that they arent quite true.
Ok so this is the evidence and statement you gave me...the question i have is who decided to delete the base? And as you stated you didnt know who really because they didnt even bother posting...which means to me that one admin decided and now your stuck defending that admins descision.
Jansen Wrote:The base has been deleted by the Administration for causing a lot of OORP related trouble, there should be a thread in the sanction subforum, but it seems someone forgot to make this.
Letting RHA dock on a DHC base does not work, both are supposed to be arch enemies.
You forgot to notify me of deleting the Cookies Central advert on 'Player Owned Bases' as this clearly stated the base was open to all for trade...well reading the posts top down, can you see when the base changed hands? I can... my request! but in the end...it isnt about the base Jansen...your fellow admin made that very clear!
(04-15-2014, 07:54 PM)aerelm Wrote: We can easily check and cross-reference IPs, and some of you even have your [ZA] and [D-W] ships on the same ingame accounts, which means it's not hard to see who's who and how many members the two groups share (last I checked, the answer was "every").So I'm afraid we're not the ones "bringing ZA into your faction", as you're the same players doing the same thing you did to Zoner lore with ZA, now to Hessian, Daumann and Hellfire Legion lore, first with your Von- group, then with [D-W] and Cookie Central. ---False, you better check because now what you have done is forced me to change my email, as i actualy used my real one. If by any chance you have misused information or relayed to individuals on skype that you are privy to...be very careful! As you have already now suggested this was a concerted effort to get rid of certain player's!
It was tolerated once because you were new and hopes were that you'd learn, but now that you've been around long enough to know the ropes you're expected to do better, rather than sticking to the same ill-natured pattern.---Lets be clear on this statement, tollerance i have alot off, I gather who ever put us in Bastille the last time jumped to the wrong conclusion...was it by chance a report by someone you cant name??
In all there has been a concerted effort to stop us actually enjoying the game...lets see HF and skype friends causing trouble both ingame and on forum's. An effort to constantly attack anything we try and do..let me add within the rules!!!! However when we have abided by the rules..you change the goal posts...so if you want to ban us for playing and actually enjoying the game...ill add again within the rules!!!!! Then we give up...i dont want cookies back infact keep it...but lets see the next thing you try to attack us on.
So close this threat...i mean thread, lock it and keep the base!
Regards and best wishes to you all, have a great Easter
Hum now after reading some of this I'm feeling a lot of misplaced anger here.
PLEASE try and keep your heads people its only a game after all.,
Now back to the subject in hand.
After doing some research and back reading of past posts and events it seems my memory is not the best.
For this I apologise.
After making/building so many bases it can be hard to keep track of all events.
Concerning the cookies base.
As past history shows the base first was constructed in the omega 15 system.
At the start we didn't know what iff to use so it looks like we just put a zoner one on there to start with.
The base prime function was diamond mining/ore storage.
A roll play contract with kruger players/characters was agreed and they were supplying the base while it was in the omega 15 system.
The omega 15 system then shifted location to omega 9.
No diamond mining fields there so we got the base moved to omega 11.
At this point the base affiliation was removed because we didn't know at that time what iff to put on it.
Then followed a run in with the rhinland military.
At that point it was desided to roll play the base being sold and changed hands to DHC.
To which all our miners were also changed to DHC and the base iff was set accordingly.
From that point on the base was daumann and it has been so for a few months not unsure of the exact date.
OK about the base deletion.
The fact that it was just deleted without any prior notification,complaint or posts listing concerns on it I find totally outrageous.
Now still keeping a cool head here and not blowing ones top.
Surely before taking such an action of deleting a core 3 installation which took many people lots of time to built the base owners should of been contacted and concerns raised.
The base owners would and should of had a chance of explaining or shorting the issue then it could of been dealt with nice and peacefully.
Any points or concerns could of been attended to and using proper communication resolved.
I take this opportunity to ask/request that the base be replaced/restored back onto the server and a proper
tribunal be held to iron out any issues with its owners/function or player actions.
I'd just like to remind you that the forum/server are in whole a community and you the server providers have a responsibility to treat people fairly.
Which if I'm entirely honest I see nothing of that with this cookies station issue.
All server players should be treated equally and respectfully.
Now if its not possible to just replace the base I'd like to ask for compensation.
A BARGE and 3 core blue prints for a start would be nice.
Is this asking to much I think not.
All the time its taken to build this base and because of the actions of one or two mis-guided few the whole group shouldn't be made to pay for there mistakes!!!!!!!!!!.
Signed UK1
I do not have time to get too specific with you because I'm at work atm. I will say a couple things here and then elaborate when I get home.
First, your base is viewed as being collectively owned and maintained by the ZA/DW group. The deletion is a punishment of that group for continually acting outside the lore of at least four separate factions.
1. Militant Zoners
2. Hessians declaring intent to attack on every POB.
3. Hellfire Legion attacking a liberty civilian vessel. (DSE)
4. Dauman base allowing Hessian docking rights.
Second, there was talk of simply throwing all ZA/DW ships into Bastille indefinitely, but it was agreed upon to simply delete one of your bases as a next step measure to try to stress the importance of sticking with faction lore. So far, your attitude has made us regret that decision. If you cannot accept the fact that you were playing these factions incorrectly, then I fear you will be headed to Option Two--Bastille.
If you wish to discuss this further over Skype, I am willing to do so, but there will be no compensation, no reversal of this sanction and no returning of your base. I strongly suggest that you start listening to the Admins. I do not wish for you to continue down this road you are on.
1. If a person acts outside of there id ie zoner then that person should be punished not the whole group.
And if your talking about the whole omicron 74 zoner alliance thing it was all in self defense of other bigger groups trying to push around the little guy.
Someones got to stand up for them.
Plus look at the server activity in that area at the time it was off the scale everyone and there dog trying to wipe us out.
2. The declaration of hessians attacking bases when we were playing hessian faction was a joke to strike fear into
the whole of sirius.
We never had the man power to attack the entire server...
Saying your gonna attack any base with certain letters in it was a massive joke post.
Come on be serious!!!!
3. If any allie ie the xeno are asking you for help do you just sit on your hands.
Granted the dse shouldn't of been attacked by the D-W Hellfires but come on be sirious here it was a one off small mistake made by one persons wrong decision in the early days when we were just starting out as hellfire.
4. The hessians were holding the Daunmann to ransom pay them protection money and let them uses your base
or they blow the place up...
Be serious dude all this is a lot of nit picking at little things.
Its really beginning to look like someone in the admin team have really got it in for our small group....
This is looking more and more like a personal grudge.
(04-17-2014, 10:54 PM)UK1 Wrote: 1. If a person acts outside of there id ie zoner then that person should be punished not the whole group.
And if your talking about the whole omicron 74 zoner alliance thing it was all in self defense of other bigger groups trying to push around the little guy.
Someones got to stand up for them.
Plus look at the server activity in that area at the time it was off the scale everyone and there dog trying to wipe us out.
I closed two threads introducing your militant Zoner group. I discussed the issue with two of your group over Skype. That should have clued you in that the Admins didn't approve.
(04-17-2014, 10:54 PM)UK1 Wrote: 2. The declaration of hessians attacking bases when we were playing hessian faction was a joke to strike fear into
the whole of sirius.
We never had the man power to attack the entire server...
Saying your gonna attack any base with certain letters in it was a massive joke post.
Come on be serious!!!!
The place for jokes is Flood, not the Declaration Thread.
(04-17-2014, 10:54 PM)UK1 Wrote: 3. If any allie ie the xeno are asking you for help do you just sit on your hands.
Granted the dse shouldn't of been attacked by the D-W Hellfires but come on be sirious here it was a one off small mistake made by one persons wrong decision in the early days when we were just starting out as hellfire.
Yes, you sit on your hands. Better that, than break lore.
(04-17-2014, 10:54 PM)UK1 Wrote: 4. The hessians were holding the Daunmann to ransom pay them protection money and let them uses your base
or they blow the place up...
Protect your base from your enemy attack or watch it burn. You don't make deals with them allowing docking rights.
(04-17-2014, 10:54 PM)UK1 Wrote: Be serious dude all this is a lot of nit picking at little things.
Its really beginning to look like someone in the admin team have really got it in for our small group....
This is looking more and more like a personal grudge.
It's a pattern of unacceptable behavior. Rather than succumb to paranoia and poor us attitude, why don't you just follow the lore? I've spent a lot of time trying to help you guys over Skype on this issue. I've stopped Hellfire Legion from destroying your base when you broke lore. Do me a favor in return: stop arguing and listen for once.
Were trying to play the game can you really blame a whole group for one or two people actions.
Look at just how many people you warn or sanction from dailly to weekly etc.
No body's perfect we all have to put up with new recruits making mistakes.
Compiling the actions of an entire groups for the past year and judging there actions as a whole after such a long time
is it really necessary.
Group leaders and members change over time.
You'll aways get people taking things to personally or putting there foot in it.
I have hand no personnal contact with any admins so I can't comment on that.
What can I say I'm more of a love not war person but thats just me.
Now don't get me wrong dude I know howe hard it can be trying to please everyone.
I myself once used to help run a forum/server in the past.
I'm not gonna name names or drop hints I just know from personal experience that its no bed of roses.
So I take my hat off to you guys for that much at least...
But punishing an entire group of people for a collective of over an years movements or activity I strongly believe is wrong.
Now don't get me wrong as this is not an personnal attack on your self or the admin team in general.
But I strongly believe that any admin or moderator shouldn't be alloud to play the server as there personal
experiences cloud there judgement.
You can not act like an independ person and judge things fairly if your evolved in the whole issue.
This is just an personnal statement made fron personal experiance and not an attack on anyone personally...