this is to respond to the last remarks from mr. Zelot, starting in reverse order for sakes of a more clear reasoning.
' Wrote:It's funny, I must be like a psychic or something. Here I was not 2 days ago talking about how your whole neutral to all guards is going to be a problem and what to do I find when I log on tonight? A (]C[) (God that is a really really annoying tag to have to type) in the Corsair guard systems. What was he doing there? Well as he put it to me, "Wreck Hunting." Now, would be fairly upsetting to me if what your men were really using that rep you make get for is to "Wreck Hunt" in peoples guard systems. When I demanded he leave, I was told "You don't trust Zoners" and "We bring you food to feed your children" the implication being that you folks can do what you want and go where you want because you bring food to Crete. Well this is unacceptable. I have Screens, but wont put them up here, but if the leadership of (]C[) (annoying) wishes to see them, pm me. I would hope to get some response from you people.
[font=Palatino Linotype]Well sir, what can I say - indeed such behaviour is most unacceptable and of course you don't have to send any screens to us - such notifications we will always treat very seriously. The "wreck hunting" activity was not approved by any of the chief officers, and the arguments he put are absolutelly not in accordance with the policy of our company. Humanitarian missions serve only purposes of building positive relations with the poor Sirius citizens and we don't expect anything in exchange.
So, we have already performed an internal investigation, and determined the responsible person. The pilot has been strictly instructed: (a) not to undertake any unapproved actions (b) never justify any of his activity in a non-RP way. As he said to understand and to agree with all your arguments, I hope such situation will not occur in the future.
As a try of excuse I can only say that the abovementioned pilot is a relatively young member of our organization, maybe this particular aspect of proper behaviour in the Guard Systems was not 100% clear to him. But based on my knowledge of how he has been doing sofar, and how hard he tried to fulfill all the requirements put for him by our company (maybe not precise enough as to the guard systems aspect) - I expect that once learned lesson will not wander into oblivion.
Furthermore, in a few hours we will ammend the internal instruction which we give to our recruits. We will instruct them especially to behave properly while on the stage of neutralizing the guard reputation. The concept of the guard reputation neutralization I have covered a bit more in the next part of my letter.
' Wrote:A couple of more points from me. First, the whole have to be neutral to all guard factions I think will really be a problem for some people. I would not want your people in the AFA or Corsair guard system, I would shoot them on sight if they were found there, the fact that you want all of your recruits to set up their ship so they can go into any guard system means to me that you intend for your ships to go into those guard systems, if even to check their neutrality. That is unacceptable to me personally as I am sure it would be to other faction leaders. Guard systems are highly restricted areas, not to be entered by neutral factions, the fact that you require your recruits to go into these systems is a major problem for me.
[font=Palatino Linotype]I hope you won't eat me alive for what I say now, but... the full guard reputation neutralization has been done by our members already for about 8 times now. During this I have heard of two incidents, where one of our members was shot by some military guard (self guilty - could have asked for permission or for a contact), and once I have been asked to leave the system (which I did, having apologized for losing my way).
During the most intensive period (where we all did this paralelly), it didn't seem to me that we spoiles someone's play, mainly because the systems we were visiting (for purposes of adjusting the IFF frequency to the signal of the emitters used by visited factions), were in 95% empty. We hardly met anyone around there not to mention the systems interiors.
So what I am trying to say is: maybe we could find some way in which we could do the guard faction neturalization, if we only assured that this would be done in a fully RP-justified and non-invasive way? I think it is feasible, based on the fact how many of us succeeded to do it without spoiling the game to the others (at least I don't know of any such cases).
Furthermore, if you would be afraid of dozens of the (]c[) pilots wandering around the guard systems, I immediatelly assure: the number of recruits who come to this stage is small, not to say very small. For example, for now I don't recall any recruits being at the guard reputation neutralization phase.
This is intentional, since thanks to this mechanism we may filter out all the impatient and non persevering pilots, and end up with a small couple of mature and reliable people, who are aware that Discovery is not a shooting game. This is why it is so important for us to be able to rather make this process of a good quality rather than resigning from it.
' Wrote:The second point I want to bring up may seem petty, but I assure you, it is an important one. Your faction tag really pushes the boundaries of what is acceptable to people on this server. You will notice most of the faction tags are [Factiontag] or no bracketing such as the BPA who's tag is BPA. The admins have stated that people should limit the number of symbols contained in their names. The factions on the server have tried to abide by this policy. Not only is (]C[) fairly annoying to type, it is outside the accepted naming conventions on this server due to the fact that in 5 characters you have 4 symbols...something to think about, something like or [C] would be more in fitting with the servers naming conventions.
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Well sir, actually this is a small c, so it's (]c[) - much less annoying, isn't it? Heh...heh... *noone else laughing*
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I thought that we already fulfilled the requirements put on all factions. Before posting our proposal here on forums, we asked one of the administrators wether it is ok. The answer was that it is, under condition that we remove the ranks symbols (yes, we had ranks in it too!), which we naturally did. So, however this was only a loose consultation, I assume we whould have been informed if it was outisde of the acceptable naming convention (besides, having 4 symbols / 5 characters doesn't seem to make us exceptional as I observe the pilots list).
We have put some effort in adjusting our logo to the tag, we have designed our corporate paper based on this, and I must say we are bound to it. Of course, we don't intend to irritate anyone (especially you), but on the other hand it would be very hard for us to change all the tagging/graphical system based on every such signal. I hope you understand us here.
' Wrote:Lastly I still think this would be a better proposal coming from a faction like Universal than another Zoner trading company, just more like the house corporations.
[font=Palatino Linotype]Sad to hear that. As I said before, we are strongly bound to both neutrality & corporate aspects of our identity. Resigning from one of them would mean cutting into half all of our entire roleplay vision.
So at this point I can only say, that (provided that we become approved) we will do our best to stay credible both as Zoners and as people acting in an organized company. And since we don't see a real conflict between these values, I very hope that some day we become credible also for you.
Kind regards,
dr Werner Mazurksy
CEO, board member
Zoners Trading Consortium Ltd.
' Wrote:As a prospective member of the ([c]) I have to say I am also concerned by the attitude towards guard systems shown. I am a firm believer that one should get permission to enter any guard system that is not affilliated with your character, and even then its better to have a bloody good reason to go there.
[font=Palatino Linotype]Yes, we are aware of that (after the incident from last night - even more), and actually every member of our organization is obliged to establish the conctact with the proper faction with all respect to the rules he should be according to. Let us remember that this is only the initial contact, required for some frequency tuning of the IFF module - so it can be achieved both by contacting an NPC if noone is there, or asking a guard (if there) for the contact. So I think (based on the fact that we did it for 8 times without any significant incidents), it is feasible.
' Wrote:There are certain guard systems that can provide invaluable shortcuts to traders and smugglers, and whilst I have used them sometimes, I find it's always prudent to spend as little time as possible in such sytems, so no loitering, docking or code-hunting. In all cases its good to get permission from an associated player if one can be found.
If the reason you require neutrality with guard factions is to expedite trading then I suggest you begin earnest negotiations with the respective player factions and try to draw up some agreement with them regarding passage through these systems. I would also suggest any agreements be made public so as to avoid any confusion from any non-faction players.
[font=Palatino Linotype]In fact, establishing neutral relations with the guard factions has nothing common with the trade or weapon searching activities of ours. These activities we perform officially, compliant with Zoners profile. Neutralizing reputation of all the factions of Sirius serves two main purposes: filtering (filtering out young impatient pilots) and symbolic (full neutrality towards all the people in Sirius). I have covered this a bit more in detail in my previous responses.
' Wrote:As you are primarily a trading faction I'm sure such an arrangement could be made based on financial incentives, but I would also suggest that you draft a strict and enforceable code of conduct for your ([c]) members to ensure respect and proper behaviour when in such guard systems (and in others too!)
[font=Palatino Linotype]A very good point regarding the code. This is exactly what we are working out right now - we ammend the instruction for recruits, to describe the rules of proper behaviour while doing the initial training. In the nearest future we also plan to elaborate some separate document containing the codex of behaviour for our pilots also beyond the training stage.
Best regards,
dr Werner Mazursky
CEO, board member
Zoners Trading Consortium Ltd.
As to the naming issue, I said you were pushing what is acceptable, I will point you to the following post : http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=20725 . And from this post by Igiss I will point out the following;
Quote:Symbol use within a name should be kept to as minimum as possible (faction tags are usually enough).
Now, I know you are technically complying with this rule, but you are pushing it, and it becomes a downhill effect, where once you do it, the next guy pushes it further and the guy after him and so on and so forth. One of the things about being an official faction is setting an example for the community, because people look to those official factions for an example, and some new guy sees your (]C[) and thinks that it looks neat, he then goes out and makes his new tag ([-D-]). Then the next guy does (]()[) for his. I hope you see my point. Every other faction on the server has it's artwork, but they all manage to conform to the traditional type tags here. You can still use your logo in your artwork and faction stuff, but I would ask you to simplify it for the faction tag, as it should be in line with other faction tags. Faction tags here are not intended to be artwork, they are to easily identify your ships and make it easy for people to type your name. This is not easy.
Now to guard reps. I dont think you understand my point. My point is that your ships should NOT be neutral to the guards because the Zoners are NOT neutral to the guards. The Guards are not a different faction, they are defending the secure area's of a faction. No one except someone who is tagged and ID'ed that faction or someone who is tagged and ID'ed allied to that faction should be there. The Zoners are neutral by definition, which does not meet the level to be neutral with the guard faction. I can tell you now, any of your ships found in Tau42 or Omicron 91 will be destroyed on sight, because as I said, they should NOT be there. I mention those two systems because they are the ones I control, I am sure other faction leaders will have much the same response. It is in fact OORP for a Zoner to be neutral to guard factions other than the Zoner guard, GMG guard and I guess Order guard. Those are your allies, if they are not your allies you should NOT be neutral to their guard. I am sure you can find some other way to run your new folks through the wringer.
I dont mean to be rude, that is not my intention, but I want to avoid problems further down the road for you, as I dont want to destroy Zoners...but I will if I find your ships in my guard systems.
for as far I seen you guys are working hard and havent found any problems with you
you are great Rp-ers, ofcourse I can write long stories about this and that
but that has all been explained already by you dr werner,
I've seen them in a couple of situations recently, and never saw them break RP. Their RP also was not acceptable, but it was very good.
Especially in the situation with that oorp lunchbox I was in, and in spite of being in a position to be angry, and rightly so, they kept their cool and RPed along. Also later that day, they participated in an event by the CR, just a bit, but they were smart enough to RP properly, although they had no clue what our event was about.
You got a + from me.
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[font=Palatino Linotype]Many thanks for the good word Gentelmen. In fact we try to do our best and hope to gradually get better - also thanks to the constructive criticism from the Community, present in this thread.
Best regards,
Werner Mazursky
This is to inform that according to the critiques of the proposed ranking system (too strongly military oriented for a commercial company), the rank system of the Zoners Trading Consortium has been redesigned. This has been done according to some experience in the faction management we have gained in the meantime, too. Please refer to chapter 3.5.
By this occasion the faction members roster has been updated, please refer to chapter 4.
[color=#FFFFFF][update] The fleet standardization has been completed too; please refer to chapter 8.
Best regards,
Werner Mazursky
CEO, board member
Zoners Trading Consortium
Hi i wanna join ZTC i talked with Dr. Werner Mazursky and Lou Salome. I have Spatial, Zoner Guard ID and IFF.Im saving for Zoner Whale. My char name is Zony but when i join it will be (]c[)Mr.Zony. Im honored to Join ZTC and i really love to trade and im good in PvP.My character background is: Order,Red Hessian,Zoner Guard.