Quote:You did post out of character, repeatedly, and now you lie about it. Asking ADMINs to look into whether something is allowed or not isn't roleplaying, it's attempting to say that it is against the rules, which it isn't
There were multiple witnesses to it and declining that you have done something wrong is worse than apologizing and going on with your business. The main problem is not about the righteousness or outcomes of that embargo but your deficit way of putting your own arguments for abolishing it. You basicly whined to admins in your thread even if you say you didn't. And there is neither fool nor a retarded blind crook around here. Besides, nobody could expect me to join a debate with out of roleplay material in it.
And you were lucky not to have your thread locked but sanitized for a second chance. Next time, do it without mingling the admins in order to alter something - such as a standing embargo - you or some others are not fond of. Endeavor to ensure the community and related personnel instead.
' Wrote:Liberty government seems to have no problems with exporting of anything only Importing from Rheinland
war effort?
Well it does actually, but the problem is there is nobody there to regulate it considering the navy presence in Texas is so vague, you routinely get cardi smugglers docking on Houston itself with nobody being the wiser. So this is a problem of player coverage ingame (or rather the fact that everyone camps NY). Also take note that they only really ever look for diamonds and nothing else, and even that is hard for them to prove that you didn't get them from Bering or Texas. But in RP the flow of materials outwards is also to be halted. Check the embargo document (Laws of the Republic of Liberty, article 4).
Quote:what war is this then? Liberty and Rheinland are not at war,
Not yet. But check the news on various stations, Liberty is bracing for a war.
Quote:The USA sanctions against Iraq did not harm the USA economy or it's people.
This embargo by Liberty IS harming the economy and people of Liberty so yes very different.
I suggest you read the roleplay thread outlining the reasons for the challenge against the embargo.
Well I put it to you that during the period of World War 2 the US economy was very much affected by the embargo with Germany. Many of their vessels were targetted by war operations directly, while their trade to many nations in Europe stopped. If the Iraq example is not good enough, then this must be.
Quote:I don't think this is right and proper if it is actually true.
The Navy is a military force that answers to the elected President and elected representatives of the Government.
I tried to roleplay a Liberty Government enquiry proceedings.
I was opening up a debate. The [LN] or LNS or LPI or LSF or whoever are NOT the government of Liberty.
I can accept that the Liberty Government some time ago imposed a trade embargo for some reason.
Can you not accept my democratic right as a citizen of Liberty to challenge that decision?
Not that it's not the LN that are the government of Liberty, but the players that also roleplay LN admirals also roleplay the Liberty government. The situation is the same in Rheinland, Kusari and Bretonia so it's nothing out of the ordinary. And I can perfectly accept your right to challenge their resolution, however what I was critisising is trying to get admins involved in the process. That was simply OORP, and the admin decision to not give a response was a proper one. If you want to dispute the ruling of the Liberty government, then post an inquiry to the Liberty Congress.
Quote:We are polite and co-operative with the Rheinland Military and have been stopped for routine scanning on many occasions.
There have been no problems so far.
I have had many problem in Liberty though even to the extent of having my Transport fired upon.
That was when I was passing through the system heading to Kusari, I was not importing into Liberty just passing through.
But the [LN] officer did not believe me and opened fire.
Well, the trigger-happy LN officers are well known, but that's something you can also in RP take to the Liberty government, and demand compensation. Hell, I know of a guy who roleplayed an actual court case and won it, recieving several million credits from the LN for an accident that he "subpoena'd" them for. Everything can be done in RP, and that just proves it. Try it out.
To Kress
The Thread was bumped 3 or 4 times. Is that what all this fuss is about?
I'll re state again
I had already spoken to an Admin ingame about the issue
I told him about my intentions to roleplay a post about a government enquiry.
He agreed to have a look at the issue and discuss it with some of the other Admins, and to reply.
I did not want the thread to fade away, die and be forgotten altogether, so I bumped it.
Simple thread bumps for attention of Admins.
If that is seen as "badgering," "bitching" or "whining" then I think some of you are a bit too sensitive,
they were simple thread bumps to keep the thread and the debate alive.
The debate died on that roleplay thread which is a shame but it seems to have restarted here,
which I'm quite happy about.
At least it is now being discussed.
To Blodo
I like some of your ideas
Quote:But in RP the flow of materials outwards is also to be halted.
And that is not happening is it. The [LN] are not even enforcing the existing embargo correctly.
Quote:Not yet. But check the news on various stations, Liberty is bracing for a war.
Yes I have heard that this is a possibility for the next version of the Modd,
I hope it does not happen tho' it will just make gameplay a bit too chaotic in my opinion.
We already have 2 systems at war just now, surely thats enough for the server.
Quote:Well I put it to you that during the period of World War 2 the US economy was very much affected by the embargo with Germany. Many of their vessels were targetted by war operations directly, while their trade to many nations in Europe stopped. If the Iraq example is not good enough, then this must be.
Well yes what you state here is true but it's totally different circumstances, and does not transfer to our situation ingame as a good comparison.
Germany was at War with most of the rest of the world including the USA.
The wartime industry and economy of the USA went into overdrive to feed the War effort.
In large part it was the USA Industrial might that won World War II
Liberty and Rheinland are NOT at war and this embargo is harming the Liberty economy and people.
That is why I felt it should be challenged in a court of enquiry hearing.
Quote:Hell, I know of a guy who roleplayed an actual court case and won it, recieving several million credits from the LN for an accident that he "subpoena'd" them for.
That one is brilliant and I wish I had thought of it.
Right now in roleplay I have [KoF]-Chakotay ingame on the server with his Border World Transport full of Diamonds
impounded on Manhattan awaiting an outcome of the enqiry hearing.
That char could be stuck there for a long time.
How is the blockade harming the economy of Liberty? The largest economic problem liberty faces is loss of jobs to foreign workers...and a blockade is the strongest protective tariff possible.
It is stifling trade, profits are down.
Tax returns to the Liberty government are therefor also reduced.
When profits are down and companies are struggling jobs are usually cut
Your profits are down, you mean? Profits, of say, the native diamond mining industry is up. So would that of the arms manufacturers. The rise or fall in profits of a shipping company do not nessisarily correlate with the gross growth or decline of a nation's GDP. As a matter of fact, I would never expect it to be an indicator.
So, to conclude, Your company does not an economy make.
' Wrote:To Kress
The Thread was bumped 3 or 4 times. Is that what all this fuss is about?
I'll re state again
I had already spoken to an Admin ingame about the issue
I told him about my intentions to roleplay a post about a government enquiry.
He agreed to have a look at the issue and discuss it with some of the other Admins, and to reply.
Did he agree to reply there as an admin or a related roleplayer? There is a big difference between the two and we are not used to call them to pose as admins in such threads once we are unable to cope with things within the argumentation of roleplay. But that was what you did as I and some of the people acknowledged from the 3rd person's position.
Quote:I did not want the thread to fade away, die and be forgotten altogether, so I bumped it. Simple thread bumps for attention of Admins.
If that is seen as "badgering," "bitching" or "whining" then I think some of you are a bit too sensitive,
they were simple thread bumps to keep the thread and the debate alive.
You don't need the attention of an admin to keep a thread alive but dedicated willingness to resolve an issue that you are worried about. My overview about your acts will not change unless you prove me wrong with something else as you have not offered anything different yet but a blatant way of declining what you have done.
Quote:The debate died on that roleplay thread which is a shame but it seems to have restarted here,
which I'm quite happy about.
At least it is now being discussed.
This will only exemplify a way of how you deal with solving a problem.
I understand that some of your people ran into an LR tagged Rogue today in Colorado. It wasn't me, it was one of the Rogues though, and that concerns me.
As I was told by the Rogue, he was attempting to RP with your faction and that turned out to be a mistake. I am told that he was engaged immediately without warning. I have no screenshots to prove this, so I won't make a huge deal of it. However, as your faction is now known Sirius wide for poor RP, I suggest that you instead hear out the pirates you encounter. Not to mention everyone else. This is an RP server.
Let it be known that LR fails to be impressed by your role play.
I personally was flying a patriot in NY at the time and heard them discuss it in system chat, so I know that it did occur. Not to mention that at the same time, one of your members, a Trenton I believe, was repeatedly destroying his ship. The message "catastrophic decompression" generally means running into a planet. This I observed personally as well as him laughing about it immediately afterward in system chat. Bad form, Sir. Very bad form.