bans in the past for swearing were less severe,,, But nobody was catching the msg, so fines have been boosted. Even now,,, message is still being ignore.
If I was to swear, whatever the cause (cheater, rule breaker, etc) I would accept the ban. However, I would have liked someone to tell me before if I did something wrong
Like what I did with LEXX yesterday, he's russian, barely speaks english, thanks to a guy helping with translation, we have been able to explain him what he did wrong and he apologized. Just wish nobody reported him.
You see your child play with fire. Throwing it towards other people. You tell him "Now now, that's not nice. Lets put the fire away for now ok honey?"
The next day, the kid go's at it again. Why? Because he doesn't get the fact that's it bad, or he does, but simply doesn't care because "mommy and daddy won't punish me".
Get my point? Now that's why the bans are harsher.
yea - but punishing harshly could be described as:
child plays with fire and throws glowing splinters at passers by...... you hit it HARD yelling at it about how BAD it is.
the child won t do it again - but maybe he ll do the same when he has a child.
( sorry, i just don t like the example much - the educational example is lacking, cause it can be bend into the opposite that creates an even worse result )
i think that 7 days is no big deal .. IF the sanction is just. - what i d like to see is people always talking to the culprit before they go and write a report. - some people are not seeing reason. - but some might. - it is NOT supported by the team to do that - sort of...
as it is supported to log of quitely and fill out a report instead of confronting the person, as it can so easily be interpreted as "rule lawering". - a bit of a problem. - personally, i like to talk ot the person first - not only to see who i am dealing with.... but it would also help myself to calm down.
when i just lost a fight - or someone ruined my personal RP at the moment by engaging me and even making me retreat or blow up... i am upset.... too upset to be unbiased. - by talking to the person... trying to be calm - i actually calm down... and after a few minutes, the reason to report someone becomes meaningless sometimes.
I really doubt there was a report. And if it was somewhere, it was written by the admin.
Anyway, you need to learn to write offensive things in RP so it looks like RP.
Like "Hey you, bloody moron, get some brain in that addicted head of yours, will ya?" as a Corsair to an Outcast is not insulting, not to me at least.
But something like "Get lost you f****ng piece of crap I hate your guts* etc might be considered as a RL swearing.
You might have wanted it to be in RP, but I suppose it didn't look like that.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
I accept Corsairs and Outcasts and other 'hated' factions using colorful language against each other IN RP. They hate each others guts, why be all posh about it? I'm not saying open the flood gates for swearing, to me you can insult but not swearing or other words you KNOW you shouldn't say.
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Maybe after a month or two the violation reports can be 'de-classified' under the Freedom of Information Act? So we can then KNOW nothing is biased by seeing the report and its evidence.
Whether the Freedom of Information Act applies here I don't know.
' Wrote:Maybe after a month or two the violation reports can be 'de-classified' under the Freedom of Information Act? So we can then KNOW nothing is biased by seeing the report and its evidence.
Whether the Freedom of Information Act applies here I don't know.
What about witness protection :lol:
Seriously though, if a banned player knows who posted the sanction report, he could take it out on that person at a later date. If no one knows about the report, then nothing can be done on a personal level
There is a sort of ban guide writen in the rules, lets you know the minimum sanction for breaking a certain rule, i guess there cumulative. I dont think the Admins are biased though.
' Wrote:Seriously though, if a banned player knows who posted the sanction report, he could take it out on that person at a later date. If no one knows about the report, then nothing can be done on a personal level
Understandable, but just omit the author. Besides the rule breakers normally just erupt their anger onto the forums anyway. If they do take it out onto someone personally, forum ban and ignore option? :)
I guess I am just a little frustrated because I just started becoming active on the forums the day before the sanction happened. I have not received a reply from an admin in the PM, and like someone said they are overloaded with work from the server, so I doubt one will hear my argument.
I really love this server, i didn't know there was an active freelancer server until a few weeks ago and the day I got my Zoner destroyer I got sanctioned for something I didn't know was illegal (i have read server rules again and again)
The rule that I got sanctioned for was
"3.2 Flaming, threats and insulting (in any form) other members, factions, server administrators in chat, public or private, is prohibited on server and on forums. RP-related threats are allowed on the server."
"3.4 Out-of-character (OOC) chat should not be used for system chat. Using out-of character in roleplaying chat should be marked with "OOC"."
DBoys comment was:
Comments / Instructions: You don't insult someone after they run away and then of course rule lawyer in system chat at the exact same time. Not the brightest move is it? Do your time, let me know to unban ya in 7 days.
I do not flame, I am a calm guy and I do not assault people with words, the comment I made was strictly role playing (which is one of my favorite parts about this server) I purposely did NOT curse but the actual word I used was "crap", if you knew me you would know that I got a sailors mouth, if I was mad at the guy and flaming I would have said different things.
I figured this was completely in line of role playing do the the fact that the retreating player was a Phantom Terrorist, the rule states "RP-related threats are allowed on the server" so I do not see what rule I broke.
I think the player misunderstood a Zoner insulting a Phantom for a player insulting him as a person and I apologize if I offended anyone.
As for my ruling lawyer I am not quite sure what Dboy means, I imagine it means that I was trying to tell the Phantom what the rules are, but I did not say a word to him after he retreated besides "Get out of here you worthless piece of crap" (In RP isn't that what we all think of terrorists?)
In fact i remember right afterwards going to Sigma-13 and helping a player named *BH* kill Harvester17 and then logging off, I do not remember ruling lawyer at the Phantom player.
Please if anyone can help vouch for me a 7 day ban seems really harsh considering I purposely did not curse, and I did not go OORP. I believe the Admins were either given tampered screen shots or they did not see my comment in context.
Thanks everyone I try to be a good guy on this server, which is why I am a Zoner and the only OORP chat that I do is to help aide fellow players.
By the way I know who sanctioned me, I will not give the name and I am not mad at the player only sad that the discovery community is so intolerant as to report players for minor things like this and that the admins actually ban players for such violations.
This is my first violation and it is something simple, I hope I can convince admins to let me off with a warning and fine if need be.
I guess what makes this worse is that the player who had me sanctioned dock killed my friend prior to me attacking him. I did not report him for this and I am not going to ever report anyone for anything other than hacking, because I do not wish such a long ban on any player. The game is about fun and what makes this server so great is the amount of players playing on it, if we get them all banned because they drop an F bomb, dock kill or use the improper ship we won't have a fun server for much longer.
Going on the assumption that you were sanctioned merely for the 'worthless piece of crap' comment, then the sanction is absurd. There's no swearing, and it's just as easy to assume that the comment is IC as it is to assume it's OOC. Unless there's other OOC chat to support it, then it's pretty obviously IC.
The mention of 'rules lawyering' implies that you were explaining the rules to someone (telling them they had to leave the system, etc.) in the system chat, rather than through a private message. That itself (OOC in system chat) is its own sanction, but doesn't prove any kind of OOC insulting.