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The only reason the cell even exists is so that the Unione Corse could have 100% access to the l'Ane and the Courier without having to have Gallic Brigands ships at 100%. This was requested back in the 4.87 technerf thread and curiously was named 'Gallia Generic Unlawful' with no bearing on the roleplay behind the vessel(s). We can also talk about how Freelancer and Pirate ID only have access to the vessel because 'gallic Freelancers and gallic Pirates' and how Junker Marauders have the cell without any prior roleplay (unless I'm mistaken, but it's what I've been told) - so in reality, the l'Ane is only available to the Unione Corse, the Gallic Brigands, the Maquis, and the Council. It is designed by the Unione Corse and Gallic Brigands, produced by them, and distributed by the Brigands and the Maquis.
EDIT: Forgot to mention the Marauders are dropping that cell anyway, and yes, the Freelancer / Pirate ID can't actually use the l'Ane. So it's not nearly as widespread as you'd think.
Freelancer ID and Pirate ID players cannot use the l'Ane because it's over the cargo restriction.
The Gallic Junkers ID allows to use the l'Ane. How they are acquiring it inRP is another matter as neither the Brigands nor the Corse seem friendly to them (not reflected by the rep system).
(08-15-2014, 04:36 AM)Pinko Wrote: ...
Who has the right to FR6, here?
A) Only the Brigands? The designation of the shipline say it is a Brigand ship.
B) Both the Brigands and the Corse, within the parameters of 'In case of IDs with multiple official factions'? They both produce the vessel, after all. (This in particular would be handy to know for the Rogue/Molly shipline as well, probably)
C) Neither and consider the vessel like a Gallic version of the P-train and the P-trans? This would be the 'wrong' option in my opinion, since unlike the P-train and P-trans, the Brigands and Corses reserve themselves the right of their production.
A, unless the ship's infocard/lore is changed. It's a mainly Brigand design, but the idea is that they're a bit flexible about who they sell it to.
As far as option B is concerned, you've misinterpreted that rule; it is referring to situations where there are multiple factions on the same ID, like what has happened historically with Outcasts, Corsairs, and Zoners.
Note that tech compatability is an oorp mechanic quantitatively, but can be relatively easily RP'd qualitatively.
(08-16-2014, 06:19 AM)Echo 7-7 Wrote: A, unless the ship's infocard/lore is changed. It's a mainly Brigand design, but the idea is that they're a bit flexible about who they sell it to.
So technically the Rogues would be able to FR6 the Barghest, Scylla, and Hellfire("Rogue" ships), but not the Werewolf, Greyhound, or Hyena("Pirate" ships)?
Edit: Got the answer to the question. They can FR6 any of those.
What is with the sudden need to FR6 people who are using specific ships?
The tech-nerf system does a relatively good job keeping one faction's ships from being used by a third party without a massive hit to its effectiveness.
If they are your allies, is it really a big deal if they are using it? There's always the easy cop-out excuse that "I bought it from a member/friend or whatever." If it is an enemy, you don't need an FR6 excuse to put a bounty on them.
From my interpretation, FR6 is mostly a hold-over from before we had the tech-nerf system. Back then, FR6 was the mechanic to enforce using proper ship set-up relative to one's faction. Now that issue is handled OORPly by the tech-nerf.
If you have a problem with a specific faction using your ships, then request a more significant tech-nerf with the admins/mods.
I don't know why, but something about this is smelling of trying to find loopholes to attack someone your faction shouldn't be because of a grudge.....
(08-16-2014, 11:53 PM)Leppy Wrote: What is with the sudden need to FR6 people who are using specific ships?
The tech-nerf system does a relatively good job keeping one faction's ships from being used by a third party without a massive hit to its effectiveness.
If they are your allies, is it really a big deal if they are using it? There's always the easy cop-out excuse that "I bought it from a member/friend or whatever." If it is an enemy, you don't need an FR6 excuse to put a bounty on them.
From my interpretation, FR6 is mostly a hold-over from before we had the tech-nerf system. Back then, FR6 was the mechanic to enforce using proper ship set-up relative to one's faction. Now that issue is handled OORPly by the tech-nerf.
If you have a problem with a specific faction using your ships, then request a more significant tech-nerf with the admins/mods.
I don't know why, but something about this is smelling of trying to find loopholes to attack someone your faction shouldn't be because of a grudge.....
There is no OORP grudge here. The ship in particular mentioned/hinted at here is a SRP of a Sirian Junker, which the Corse would certainly not trust with a design that's also the key to the design of their entire shipline. There's a context to all this. A Sirian Junker would normally have 10% with this ship. We're not mad at him or anything, we'd simply like to turn this into an interesting roleplay. In fact, we're intrigued and find this to be an interesting twist!
(08-17-2014, 12:27 AM)Pinko Wrote: There is no OORP grudge here. The ship in particular mentioned/hinted at here is a SRP of a Sirian Junker, which the Corse would certainly not trust with a design that's also the key to the design of their entire shipline. There's a context to all this. A Sirian Junker would normally have 10% with this ship. We're not mad at him or anything, we'd simply like to turn this into an interesting roleplay. In fact, we're intrigued and find this to be an interesting twist!
^That, nothing is more entertaining than making fun of someone else while taking their my stuff