Quote:There's that assertion again. "our space." I said before: apart from a few exceptions, zoner dont really claim space. Just because you chucked up a base by powertrading and jumptrading does not make it your space.
Power trading How? By Having Legit RP contracts with Others to Supply our base? and to clarify we don't Claim the Space of Omega 9,We only Claim the Space OUR base Physically Takes up.
Quote:So shooting everyone who's wronged a zoner in the past is "having the necessary survival skills"? If things were that way, zoners would be killed off by everyone long ago for shooting them for old incidents
Yes agreed that is NOT the way to go, Diplomacy and Talks Idealy how we'd like to go,but with Free Lancer Pirates that bother us its always "Pay me Lots of money or I pew pew, end of Story" its these ones that we are trying to find a Legit RP solution to,So Far it Seem Hiring Escort/Protectors is the way to go : We cant Shoot 1st no matter what, But can we Hire e.g. a Hunter or Free Lancer to Shoot Pirates who Are Known to Actively Hunt/Pirate Zoners? E.G. We see the Known Pirate Flying Around and Hire a Hunter or Freelancer to take them Down, I.E can we Make a Kill On Sight Contract? We're a Trade Faction but all Our Sanctions are PvP based Naturally we Want to Fix this and Avoid More Sanctions
[14.03.2021 12:15:25] BRR!-Buckfast: How about 10 millon pal!
[14.03.2021 12:15:37] BRR!-Buckfast: Your Majesty The Rich Director!
[14.03.2021 12:15:45] Gateway|-GSX-Triebfeder: Thats more like it
[14.03.2021 12:15:56] Gateway|-GSX-Triebfeder: Very Well you may have the Honour of my credits
Obviously, we will have to record EVERYTHING that happens with those players because the admin team has proven that anything less will be judged against us. No, I am not "QQing", we had 4 players sanctioned already for defending the base. It is obvious from the Sanctions threads of the last two months that the method here is, Guilty until proven innocent and we will not do due diligence, that is your job in spite of the fact that the Admins have logs for reference.
Sabru: I feel sorry for anyone that cannot reason effectively. There are holes in the argument that you present that you could fly a Whale through. You consistently and intentionally misconstrue the other side's argument, you don't address any of the more telling points, and you depend on logical fallacy as your primary technique. You seem especially fond of Appeals to Authority, Ridicule and Hasty Generalizations.
I will point out, though, that by your standards, when I bring a cap ship to Baffin and demand money, I will expect you to pay up promptly because you don't claim space, it can always be talked out and Zoners don't attack unless the other party attacks first. Given that the Admins sanctioned [Star] for bringing additional ships into the situation, I will also expect that you will not call for help. Hope you don't mind that I am rules lawyering by applying your standards against you.
Laura: Thank you for trying to be a voice of reason. Your explanation was the best attempt at convincing me why things are the way they are. On the other hand, no one, including you, has convinced me of anything except that miscontruance rules the day. Everyone, even yourself, immediately jumps from, I KNOW these people, they have wronged us in the past, to Jack Boots and anarchy.
To summarize, I will not be attacking the KNOWN pirates until they initiate violence.
We all have an Angelic and a Demonic side. Use of them determines good or evil in the end.
(10-17-2014, 08:54 AM)Gyrados15 Wrote: Yes agreed that is NOT the way to go, Diplomacy and Talks Idealy how we'd like to go,but with Free Lancer Pirates that bother us its always "Pay me Lots of money or I pew pew, end of Story" its these ones that we are trying to find a Legit RP solution to,So Far it Seem Hiring Escort/Protectors is the way to go : We cant Shoot 1st no matter what, But can we Hire e.g. a Hunter or Free Lancer to Shoot Pirates who Are Known to Actively Hunt/Pirate Zoners? E.G. We see the Known Pirate Flying Around and Hire a Hunter or Freelancer to take them Down, I.E can we Make a Kill On Sight Contract? We're a Trade Faction but all Our Sanctions are PvP based Naturally we Want to Fix this and Avoid More Sanctions
(10-17-2014, 08:54 AM)Gyrados15 Wrote: Yes agreed that is NOT the way to go, Diplomacy and Talks Idealy how we'd like to go,but with Free Lancer Pirates that bother us its always "Pay me Lots of money or I pew pew, end of Story" its these ones that we are trying to find a Legit RP solution to,So Far it Seem Hiring Escort/Protectors is the way to go : We cant Shoot 1st no matter what, But can we Hire e.g. a Hunter or Free Lancer to Shoot Pirates who Are Known to Actively Hunt/Pirate Zoners? E.G. We see the Known Pirate Flying Around and Hire a Hunter or Freelancer to take them Down, I.E can we Make a Kill On Sight Contract? We're a Trade Faction but all Our Sanctions are PvP based Naturally we Want to Fix this and Avoid More Sanctions
Get people to register their interest, put up a certain amount of cash and/or how many times it can be claimed and you are set. simple as that.
Thanks We Shall Try that method and hope it bears fruit
[14.03.2021 12:15:25] BRR!-Buckfast: How about 10 millon pal!
[14.03.2021 12:15:37] BRR!-Buckfast: Your Majesty The Rich Director!
[14.03.2021 12:15:45] Gateway|-GSX-Triebfeder: Thats more like it
[14.03.2021 12:15:56] Gateway|-GSX-Triebfeder: Very Well you may have the Honour of my credits
Zoners are peace loving ACCEPTED, they welcome everyone be it a pirate or Navy ACCEPTED, but if a certain pirate or lawful or freelancer messes with them again and again do you think they will remain peaceful with them?
Zoners also have limits...
Zoners should negotiate, If That Does not work out They defend themselves from An attack, for a last resource. If They hire someone to protect or even fully engage in order of them. It Will make their rp diplomacy worse. Try to contact the pirates. Make a deal or try to avoid the pirates from knowing you want them beeing terminated.
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(10-17-2014, 01:50 AM)Sabru Wrote: That's how it works here. The official factions are the arbiters of their NPC faction. If you dont want to involve them, fine. But dont QQ and demand ridiculous changes just so you can chase a vendetta.
As a result of this post, I am requesting the entire Zoner bounty board be struck forever. Zoners don't pursue vendettas, after all. So sayeth the Zoner authorities.
We all have an Angelic and a Demonic side. Use of them determines good or evil in the end.
Crystoph. Those are the server rules and the ID rules, and have been like this for a long while. They won't change just because you don't like it. Accept it and behave accordingly, or use another ID.
Take O-47 as an example. Make deals with the locals (Hessians and Corsairs probably wouldn't be too keen on having someone muscling in on their turf, IMG/Kruger/Daumann wouldn't want more pirates going after their miners, which could bring the respective houses into the equation).
With some cunning diplomacy, you could quite easily make it a living hell for those pirates...with nowhere to land and everyone in the vicinity shooting at them, they wouldn't be around for long. There's no need for you to shoot back...