all i can say is, criminals forming up with Lawfuls is in one word... OORP, criminals hate lawfuls lawfuls hate criminals and criminals hate criminals,
therefore it should always be a free-for-all Brawl, not a union.
theres only 2 times u should form up with people.
1:If they're you're allies/Neutral
2:If theres a nomad/wild/infected, this has highest priority... everyone wants them dead, therefore even BH's and say corsairs should team up too kill the nomad or whatever, before killing each other.
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they did not attack because there was an event starting at about the same time the corsairs attacked (which was sort of annoying).
So they had no interest in fighting and not being able to participate in the event, while im sure it would have been grand to have a massive furball with the corsairs too, there was only 2 mollies in cambridge and there were far more BAF fighting the corsairs and several people who were due to swap to molly characters to give the mollies more chaps.
Things between Mollys and Bretonians lawfuls isnt black and white, like between Outcast and Corsairs for example.
Mollys are after all Bretonians, that rise rebelion becouse Graves exploitation.
Corsairs in the other hand is major problem for both Mollys and Bretonian lawfuls, and since origin of Mollys is Bretonian, why would we help Corsairs, by atacking Bretonian lawfuls.
Gentlemen, I am Councilor Patrick and your arguments are not based on facts, and lets not turn this debate into argue. I will explain everything. Molly's are unlawful faction yes and we are currently fighting against Bretonia Armed Forces, but if i recall Molly's are still Bretonians. If you knew the past of your faction you would know why we asked BAF do they need assistance. Long time ago Corsairs nation bombed Molly's planet killing almost everyone on it and at the same time polluting it so no one can repopulate it later. I think this answers your questions. There was no OORP, since Molly's hate corsairs more then we hate BAF. Blood bond you could say but that doesn't mean we will not engage BAF later. I hope this explained everything for future. From two evils we picked the greater one, corsairs can't be forgiven what they done.
Sorry, you misunderstand me.
I'm sure you hate the Corsairs more than the Brets. I understand that the corsairs are percieved as the greater of two evils. I'm still not sure why the offer of assistance was made. It just doesn't seem right.
If you were a shepard with a bear and wolf fighting over your sheep, you wouldn't help one and then kill it.
You wouldn't help any of them. Even if the wolf is related to your pet sheepdog.
You'd kill them both if you were strong enough or wait till the fight was over and kill whoever was left. Thats all I'm saying.
As for facts Bloodsword, this is a comment on my perception of what a Molly is or should be. It's on what I've seen and read both here and in game. I am aware of Planet Cork and I am also aware of the Molly ID.
@ Banza: I am not in anyway suggesting you should help corsairs against Brets. You shouldn't under any circumstances. Kill them as often as possible. Cheering for the Brets is fine but helping them?
And no, I wasn't aware of the event at the time I first posted so I apologise for that.
@ Markum: I completely agree with you. I believe I had said that "Non of this was important........as you were waiting for an event" in my second post.
Again, all I can say is that I don't think Mollies of any ilk should be helping one of their enemies against another. That is my feedback on your faction which I thought this thread was set up for.
Molly republic has interest in first and foremost securing living place for ourselves in Dublin and Derry systems without bretonian goverment.
We are revolutionaries, and blood of your enemy is sometimes needed, but in all that, all our enemies are just as human as we are. Except for Corsairs, who are murderous deamons who nuked our homeworld. Now, if anyone will note, we do not really engage BAF unless they are in our space or seen as threat to current operations. Reason is, there is no need to spill blood, if it can be avoided. Only blood we will spill always is that of our real enemy.
Bretonians have exorted us and enslaved us, yes we fought against it and got to stalemate. But Corsairs nuked our home without any reason and for that, we see them more of an enemy than anyone else.
So, next time i see another bretonian fighting corsairs, yes I or any other MR will jump in, kill the corsair and then judge is there need to fight bretonian or no. For example, if corsair attacks for example OSC Liner, yes we will jump in and protect the civilians. You may percieve usual molly players as murderous pirates, but our roleplay is a bit different and we will keep to it. Independant players can do what they want and how they want, we arent here to force our roleplay on them.
I am sorry if you folks do not like or do not understand our point of view, but it is our and is not likely to change anytime soon.
I'm sorry Bjorn but you are right. I don't understand your point of view.
The only thing there that makes any sense is:- "Molly republic has interest in first and foremost securing living place for ourselves in Dublin and Derry systems without bretonian goverment"
Your ID cleary states you are a separatist orgainisation that attacks civilian targets. The MR defend them as per your example.
Your ID clearly states you are enemies to house shippers. The MR aid them as per your example.
Your ID clearly states you are enemies of the Bretonian armed forces (and others). The MR ally with them.
The Bretonian armed forces are ALWAYS in your space, Theres a Bretonian battleship stationed in there.
You are breaking almost everything the Mollys stand for.
"The Mollys are a separatist group commited to freeing the Dublin system from Bretonia rule through attacks on civilian blah blah"
Please read your ID again and tell me you are a Molly. Helping Bretonian forces, defending civilians etc. You only have to help one more group and you have altered every single aspect of your ID.
You keep harping on about corsairs. This has nothing to do with corsairs.
You are not doing what your ID says you should. Your ID should be your primary basis for your RP. Otherwise, your just a pirate orgainisation with Molly sympathies.
If an Order pilot joins up with a Bounty Hunter, someones going to get a warning, if not a sanction. Why?
Because their ID says they are enemies. They shouldn't do it. Why do you think your ID is any different?
Maybe you need to get a standard pirate ID and give up on the one you have.
And thats just you. I have to admit I'm fairly disappointed in the BAF for going along with it as well.
Ok, so let me put this in the form of a few simple bullet points:
- BAF defend Bretonia
- Mollys want to separate Dublin from Bretonia
- Both Mollys and BAF are getting hit hard by the Corsairs
- Both the BAF and the Mollys believe Corsairs are a bigger threat to them than each other
So, say you fly around and you see a fight between two of your enemies:
- The lesser of your two enemies is losing the fight
- You know perfectly that once your bigger enemy deals with your lesser enemy, they will attack you and wipe you out
- You know that if you temporarily ally with your lesser enemy, you can overcome the bigger enemy together and then you can work out the differences with your lesser enemy afterwards
Only a suicidal fool and idiot would do anything other than ally with the lesser enemy at that very moment, unless he planned to run away faster than the others could catch up that is. What the MR are doing with BAF is only logical. The MR aren't idiots, and you can't expect them to suddenly become idiots because you'd like that to happen. What the MR is is a group of political militants, and in politics everything is a shade of grey. The sooner you understand that, the better.
And if that isn't enough, nobody will sanction the MR for anything. They have a clear RP justification for their actions, they aren't breaking any rules, and complaining about them prefering Corsairs over BAF is like complaining about house police destroying pirates before smugglers. Both arguments are silly and reek of a troll attempt.
I think that the MR's RP is rather unique, and given Bjorn's explanation in Post 27, most of my past doubts about the faction have been cleared up.
As I explained to Glenn Thacker recently, imagine if the American Civil War was lost by the North, and both sides remained divided. Bickering and occasional bloodshed continues over 80 years later into the 1960s. The USSR, taking advantage of the divided US, fires MIRVs at the entire East coast, from Maine to Florida, and launches a full scale invasion of Alaska and Texas(from Cuba).
Do you still think that the North and South are going to continue bickering with each other as the Soviets destroy both of them? They share roots, culture, language, and territory. They're going to unite and fight the Soviets.
//End Hypothetical situation
A similar situation is occurring between the Mollys and Bretonians. The Corsairs represent a massive threat to the Mollys and Bretonians. The Brets see them as invaders, and normal Mollys like my own see the Corsairs as encroaching on their turf. Common foes make enemies allies.
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