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What is there is pretty much criticism-proof.
What isn't there is...well, not there.
What are the practical procedures of AFA? General piracy? Piracy of foreign corporations? What about generic traders with no IFF?
I ran into you in my trader once, Zelot, and apart from your tag and ID, I saw no difference between you and any old pirate somewhere else: you wanted my money, and you proceeded to try to kill me when I tried to escape. (I'm not complaining about that, btw) Ok, so how is AFA different from a generic pirate ID in Kusari? You mention political goals and propaganda in a general sort of way, but how does that translate into what happens when you encounter different sorts of commercial factions?
None of these points are really criticisms. I think answering them would make AFA seem a lot more interesting to players who take a look at joining.
To put it another way, just like a hit song, every clan needs a "hook", a compelling draw that pulls people into the concept. You hint at what it is for AFA, but I think you could substantially flesh it out some more.
What you've got here is a promising beginning...give us more.
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I was in kyushu under another name, & read a good RP in syschat pitching to another player the virtues of buying kusari grown food above all else. I liked it... Good luck, I'm rooting for y'all:)
Agreed with Xoria. Every faction needs to have something specific.
Hogosha faction (Black Dragons society) had it's little thingy. We were going in Tau-31 and Leeds from time to time, sneaking in on Brettonia traders.
We would never pirate in Kusari, as we don't want our relations with Samura and KNF compromised.
For example, you should make a list of commodities that are bought in foreign houses.
For example, Diamond runners should be attacked by you.
Also, anything that comes from Liberty or Brettonia.
I have no idea what can be bought there, I'm not really a trader, forgive my ignorance.
Also, you might want to stop pirating and actually ask them to drop their cargo.
Something like one wing of Xenos is doing.
Just to clear it up why :
Quote:The Farmers Alliance is a Kusari political organization formed to lobby for government subsidies and restrictions on the sale of foreign Food.
Ok, ignore the food thing. Let's say all foreign stuff.
Does it makes sense for you to tax them? How is that contributing Kusari economy?
It isn't, you are getting rich, and Kusari will stop supporting you one day, because you'r not doing anything for them.
If you try and stop their trade routes, by asking them to drop cargo - you get Kusari's blessing.
Hogosha is doing exactly that. Helping Kusari in a war, they don't want to earn money for them, they have more then enough from Artifact smuggling (in RP).
What they want is power, and they get power in exchange for their services.
So, when I pirate in Brettonia on my Black Dragon character, I will ask for people to drop their cargo.
If they won't, I will kill them. Maybe not fair, but war is not fair.
Also, I wouldn't go in New London for example.. Just borders, like Leeds and Tau-31.
So, try to do something like that. Not the same, of course. Being original is what it's all about:)
If you make it, it will be easier for you to get more members.
I know that Hogosha failed!
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
I know in my Junker character, I pirate just enough to keep me going monetarily, and the rest of the time I just ask for cargo. You could be a sort of quasi-police, as chopper described. Making foriegn entities drop their cargo and let them go back from whence they came.
Overall though, you should look towards the propaganda. Make sure the Kusari people know their farmers are fighting for them!
"The thirteen saloons that had lined the one street of Seney had not left a trace. The foundations of the Mansion House hotel stuck up above the ground. The stone was chipped and split by the fire. It was all that was left of the town of Seney. Even the surface had been burned off the ground.
Nick looked at the burned-over stretch of hillside, where he had expected to find the scattered houses of the town and then walked down the railroad track to the bridge over the river. The river was there."
I've actually been thinking about all of this for a while. Basically since AFA didn't take off before.
The way it would go if I had my druthers would be that the FA get an ID similar to Xenos..But I don't think that will happen so I will adapt the engagement rules to as follows.
So on every route you would have a baseline tax. For NB to Kyushu lets say for example, lets say the baseline is 2 million. So if thats the base the piracy rules would go as follows;
1x base for Trader ID, no Tag.
1.5x base for Trader ID, foreign Tag or Foreign ID, no tag
2x base for Foreign ID, Foreign Tag
.5x base for Kusari ship or tag, trader ID
0x base for Kusari Tag and ID
3x for Synthfood ID and IC ID (as those are the 2 Liberty companies with bases in Kusari)
I really like the idea of asking traders to drop their cargo. I'm not sure about doing it as a rule for the faction, just because I'm not sure exactly what the rules on that would be. Traders are going to start getting really pissed if I make them drop their whole load on every trip, which is what the RP would call for. Don't get me wrong, I would love to, I just think in would really piss people off.
I think the hook is that the AFA goes back to an older time in Kusari, before Deshima and Roppongi. A much more Xenophobic time, much like China before the 1800's or so. The AFA wants to take Kusari back to a better time ( in their eyes ) when Kusari products were on Kusari shelves. When a young Kusari could count living close to home for most of his life. In the news and rumors around Kusari you see little snips of the conflict raging internally in Kusari, the conflict of opening Kusari to foreign ideas and product and insulating itself from other cultures. Modernity vs tradition. The AFA see all the problems of Kusari society, Cardimine, GC's, low employment, as caused by the fact that Kusari now lets foreigners in. Remember for a long time, Kusari didn't let foreigners into Kusari space. When Deshima was built it was the furthest into Kusari, foreigners were allowed. The AFA represent a radical group based on this type of Xenophobic thought.
Bacon, Civi weapons are defiantly allowed, as for the stinger, I was thinking about it earlier, and I dint see why not, I just think the Eagle is a better ship and more in line with the NPC ships the farmers fly.
Chop, The AFA are loyal Kusari and would never put our Brothers in the KNF in the position of having to try to protect traders from us. In the case of KNF being on, we will kindly ask for donations for the poor farmers of Kusari, voluntarily of course, we would also work very closely with the Gaians, as the AFA have more of an eco friendly view on environmentalism, hence the Artisan, I think it brings up old world imagery. Any way, We would work with the Gaians to interdict Britonian shipping. The Farmers would be actively involved in the war effort.
I might be rambling so if I missed anything, or you don't understand just post what part and I'll clarify.
Edit: I have been watching the Mike Huckabee speaches and have gotten sooo much good propaganda and ideological material for the AFA:)
I fail to find the difference between Xenos and AFA in the rules.
Maybe it's written on the ID's, if someone can paste it I'd be grateful..
Quote:6.17 Owners of Pirate IDs have a right to attack:
- Military/Police
- Bounty Hunters - Trader ships that do not pay for passage
Quote:6.18 Owners of Terrorist IDs have a right to attack:
- Trader ships that do not pay for passage
I don't see the difference.
Also, this :
Quote:6.19 Pirates and terrorists have a right to deal as much damage as they see fit before or after demanding money from a trader ship, but killing trader ship before demanding money is not allowed. Attacking traders or demanding cargo is not allowed for cruisers and battleships, unless cruisers and battleship belong to Terrorist ID or Phantom ID owner.
Which means that only these ships are forbidden to ask for cargo.
From the context, you can see that Pirates and Terrorists are allowed to ask for cargo.
About being unfair.. Well, I don't really care. So many people are doing that one Nioblium/Diamond run that it's became pointless to argue.
Piling money became a hobby. You'r there to stop them, or slow them down.
If you piss them off - good. They can change the route.
You'r not pirates. You'r working for Kusari house, not for yourselves. So, you need to stop them, not to tax them.
At least that's the way I see it.
Even if you do it in front of KNF, I believe they would act dumb. "Who me? I didn't see anything!"
Because they know you are on the same side, working for better economy of Kusari.
And in the end - it was just a thought. No need for you to adopt it. Just find a hook for easier recruitment.
Make something that will bring you more recruits, because as a regular Kusari pirates you won't really be able to find too many of those.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
' Wrote:Bacon, Civi weapons are defiantly allowed, as for the stinger, I was thinking about it earlier, and I dint see why not, I just think the Eagle is a better ship and more in line with the NPC ships the farmers fly.
Awesome, thanks. Personally I just hate looking at the Eagle since it was what I flew for more than the majority of my vanilla time....
' Wrote:At least that's the way I see it.
Even if you do it in front of KNF, I believe they would act dumb. "Who me? I didn't see anything!"
Because they know you are on the same side, working for better economy of Kusari.
Wouldn't that depend on their character's sense of morality? Personally, I would look the other way...But then again, I am naturally sympathetic to the FA, others might not be so swayed....
[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.
Benitez and Mandalorians in the same 'Neutral' stance is pretty bad.
Mandalorians are mainly working for Brettonia and NovaPG, so your stance should be unfriendly at best.
Benitez are Corsairs, and their stance should be friendly at least.
That said, BSG is not existent any more. Delete them.
Also, in your description it says :
Quote:We are an unlawful faction in Sirius, but we are neutral to the Kusari Government
But your diplomacy says :
Quote:Friendly-, Kusari Naval Forces(KNF), Colonial Remenets(CR), The Black Dragon Society(BDS)
I mean, it can work that way, being neutral officially, but unofficially getting aid from KNF.
You just need to write that down then.
Also ..
Quote:Our goal is to convince the Kusari government and people to reject the outside influences that have soiled our young Kusari. Our hope is one day to fight alongside the lawful factions of Kusari in enforcing an embargo on foreign traders.
AFA is actually hired by Kusari to do that. Your not trying to convince Kusari that it's bad, you are doing it for them.
I'v quoted it somewhere already, here it is again.
Quote:The Farmers Alliance is a Kusari political organization formed to lobby for government subsidies and restrictions on the sale of foreign Food.
Also, I didn't find it in your posts, so this story can help you a bit, in case you didn't find it yourself.
Quote:Kyushu is often referred to as the Samura 'company' planet within Kusari, as so many of its inhabitants depend on Samura's continued largess. As part of an effort to stimulate rice production on Kyushu, Samura gradually organized the Kyushu farmers into cooperatives that would buy Fertilizer and customized seeds from their laboratories in New Tokyo. Consumers paid exorbitant amounts for the rice produced, which everyone swore was much higher quality than that produced in any other part of Kusari, and thus worth the premium price it fetched in Samura's Tokyo supermarkets.
With the eventual introduction of Trade Lanes, Kusari farmers were opened to competition with the rest of the Sirius Sector. They lobbied the government heavily, financed with Samura money, which had the most to lose from cheaper foreign competitors. The government acquiesced for several centuries, leading to astronomical Kusari Food prices. Eventually, under pressure from the Liberty government, Kusari reopened the agricultural imports market, despite intense lobbying by Samura.
Synth Foods moved in and became an overnight success, opening franchises in the urban areas of Honshu and New Tokyo. Demand for expensive Kyushu Food dropped, and many independent farmers were forced out of business. Feeling betrayed, some of the farmers proceeded to organize the Farmers Alliance, a militant group that lobbies for \"farmers\' rights\" -- which include such things as government subsidies and restrictions on the sale of foreign foods in Kusari. In fact, the Farmers Alliance generally is opposed to foreign influence of any kind, particularly the Trade Lanes that have so damaged their livelihoods.
The general population ignores the Farmers Alliance for the most part, though they do have some support among older Kusari citizens. In reality The Farmers Alliance is little more than a puppet of Samura, who wishes to return to its Food and trade monopoly days. Samura uses them for much of its dirty work, attacking foreign shippers, Synth Foods, and even Kishiro on occasion. The Farmers Alliance likes the Hogosha, as they represent the traditional 'criminals' of Kusari that fit in with society. They abhor the Golden Chrysanthemums and their disgusting drug habit. The Blood Dragons are also viewed with suspicion, since whatever Samura says is the truth.
I hope i helped a bit. And no, my intentions are not to bash you, but to help if i can.:)
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.