Quote:Now, perhaps this warrants more than just the player faction being the deciding force. Perhaps we should 'elect' numerous forum members (perhaps a few from each major affiliation in the game) who are respected RP'ers, and have them run through all the ship requests to decide who is and isnt worthy of a vessel based on their RP or behavior. How's that idea sound to you? Have the community, or a large portion of it, vote every time someone wants specific ships which should be regulated, and tally up the votes.

This can go for more than just the order's ships. The zoner juggernaut, the order carrier, the liberty battlecruiser and liberty carrier, rheinland capships, etc. Not all ships need to be regulated, just the ones that are more powerful or more rare than usual.

' Wrote:OK Tenacity you do not care who decides who get's the carrier,as long as it is someone? Fine i will decide. My decision is you do not get 1, and ohh i think i will give big fatty 1. There i decided,all done.
How doe's that suit you? You would not like it would you? What ever the reason's are. I know you put in alot of work. So what if i decide i do not like How you are playing the ship,or how many people support you. I have decided NO!, and because of that you have no say in the matter,and can not appeal to an admin.
That is exactly what alot of people here do not want to happen. Me included. I do not think anyone or 2 or 3 people should say that anyone person should not be to play the game/ship his way, because another person say's no i do not think you are good enough,or RP well enough.

' Wrote:and that is where voting comes in. Fine, you dont like how I play, that's your vote - and thats exactly why my suggestion was to create a group consisting of numerous players here, both independent and factioned, to discuss these ship requests.

The problem here is that you are not making a decision based on my RP, either on the forums or in-game, you're making a decision based on personal bias because you're pissed off you got sanctioned. I'm sorry, but that's something you need to deal with, dont take out your temper tantrum on everyone else because you got the short end of the stick.

This, as well, is exactly what the admins are saying when they say players are not responsible enough to make a decision, because brats like yourself let personal emotion get in the way of actually looking at the situation and making an -informed- decision.

Do yourself a favor ryoken, quit embarassing yourself while you're still slightly respected here.

' Wrote:funny, xoria, it seems a lot of the 'power abuse' you criticize the players and factions with is the same thing we've seen from admins when it comes to factions like the keepers, phantoms, and wild.

Oh, and using big words is only going to dissuade the less intelligent people here from arguing their point of view, sorry but I dont fall into that category. Quit dancing around the topic and face it head on - there are some things that must be regulated and/or restricted, by whom I dont care, as long as it's taken care of.

The problem here is that not everything falls into your neat little world of "RP and OORP". Let's take the order carrier as an example again, the ship is supposed to be rare, it's very infocard states that there are only a small handful in service. Now, lets say that "small handful" means 5 ships of that type exist.

Two, maybe three people currently are interested in that particular ship - that includes myself and SwissScorch. Now, I've spent almost the past three months now working towards that ship, and I dont mean powertrading for the cash - I've got pages of RP written, I've lead up all of my current RP posts towards that end, I've done graphic work for the ship's posts, and even brought together a squadron of order players in-game who wish to 'operate' out of the ship once I have it. Swiss... well, he doesnt have so much RP for his, but he is well known here and fairly well respected.

So, there's two ships down. Perhaps three more are purchased either by order indies or black squadron members who show appropriate RP for ownership of the vessel and do the work to earn it. All of a sudden, a bunch of new guys come along with no clue how to RP properly as order players. They powertrade for the cash, waltz into omicron 100 without anyone being able to stop them, and buy the ship. Now we've got, say, 6-10 of these carriers, and half of them are running around with minimal RP and ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY for their actions. Hell, half of those new guys probably dont even know what the address for this forum is, and have never read the rules. Some may be sanctioned for breaking rules, but most will get away with being minimal-RP idiots while being just within the rules to prevent any action from being taken against them.

Now, everything they do with the ships not only degrades the value of the other players using them, but it also tarnishes the view of the order for every player they interact with. Still, they're just barely following server rules and there's nothing we can do to whip them in shape.

Now, like I said, I dont care WHO does the regulating when it comes to that ship or others (the osiris is in much the same predicament, though not quite as severe since it's been around, in-rp, for close to 20 years now). All I care about is making sure that people are worthy of the ship before they're allowed to fly it - whether an admin decides the player is worthy, or whether a team of that player's peers decide, doesnt matter to me; but dont you think it would take a lot more strain off the admins if they didnt have to deal with making those decisions on top of their normal admin duties?

Do the admins really enjoy constantly having to read special RP character posts when they've got people to sanciton and want to get in some game time of their own? I dont think so.

Now, perhaps this warrants more than just the player faction being the deciding force. Perhaps we should 'elect' numerous forum members (perhaps a few from each major affiliation in the game) who are respected RP'ers, and have them run through all the ship requests to decide who is and isnt worthy of a vessel based on their RP or behavior. How's that idea sound to you? Have the community, or a large portion of it, vote every time someone wants specific ships which should be regulated, and tally up the votes.

This can go for more than just the order's ships. The zoner juggernaut, the order carrier, the liberty battlecruiser and liberty carrier, rheinland capships, etc. Not all ships need to be regulated, just the ones that are more powerful or more rare than usual.

' Wrote:Didn't Bs| get sanctions though?