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I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Markus_Janus - 06-29-2011
' Wrote:Please write so i can understand, not all of us have english as our primary language, also, with so much people going around and filling up thees bounties, do you rely think that it can remain a secret who is behind it, only one person needs to spill their beans, and thats it, lets say 4 fools (there are always this kind of idiots in every organization)lets say from Farmers alliance,they are only enraged peasants no, decided to rip a huge reward(huge for them) by taking on independent trader in their, whatever light fighters they fly, now we all know that light fighters cant do that without special equipment, but they may not know(i am talking about NPCs of course) and they got their ships blown and they are captured, as they were so stupid they were barging over the system channel how they are going to be rich, trader now knows that someone is paying them, so he threatens them into saying who is it, at first they keep their mouth shut, but when he throws one of them out the airlock without the suit, other three suddenly became a lot more chatty.
Well yeah that is the thing, I guess the best thing I could say about this is that you would need a player to state that ingame for your first proof.
Then it all comes down to what ifs.
What if both Samura and all the other Farmers say he is lying.
What if it was just a player who made that character just for that purpose.
What if they get away with it and everybody does that from now on.
We do have to take a grain of salt with what is acceptable otherwise everything is open to everybody and there is no need for RP anymore, hell think about what you could truly justify with an anonymous character.
Of course if you do get a farmer or hogosha to talk, we will deny it, kill his entire family and move on with dispelling the rumors started by one dead man against the word of millions.
Aye the rumors would be great but where is the proof.
Of course that is just an opinion about a set situation and we could poke wholes in it all day long.
It really comes down to what you expect I guess because like people are trying to tell me with this bounty if someone does get the info the wrong way, they can't complain if it starts happening to every faction they are involved with.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Jihadjoe - 06-29-2011
Gooooooooooooood morning discovery. What a brilliant thread, and what an astonishing bounty board.
I'd regard it as totally ridiculous. So here's what someone is going to do...
- Make a hogosha character
- Object to the rather indiscriminate manner targets have been assigned
- Yell to the Ku govt.
- Yell to the other governments
- Provide evidence of this bounty board's existance to those people.
- Liberty and Rheinland will object to Samura ordering the killing of Rhein/Lib citizens.
- Liberty and Rheinland will prevent Samura ships entering Liberty and Rheinland
- The Kusari government shut the whole thing down, knowing that Samura is acting in a criminal manner, the government caving in to the international pressure, which is far more damaging to Kusari's economy than anything else.
The end.
Samura ID Wrote:Can trade and escort traders
Can attack pirates and terrorists in self-defense, to protect another trader, to assist lawful forces or in defence of corporate bases. May also actively hunt Pirate, Golden Chrysanthemums and Blood Dragon ID pilots.
Cannot ally with any unlawfuls except with the Hogosha, Farmers Alliance or Gaians
Cannot participate in any unlawful actions except against Bretonian lawful or Bretonian commercial factions, Synth Foods, Kishiro or the GMG
I fully expect someone has quoted that already, but I'll quote it again.
But uh, nice joke with the bounty board guys. Independant traders... I mean, wow... Seriously, don't carry on with this. Very very silly idea that will eventually land Samura in the proverbial poop be it in RP or out of it.
Edit: Blanket bounties are not a problem. This issue here is this is not thought through. This bounty board is going to cause multiple houses to turn against Kusari. That's not wise, and will be unpopular (for obvious reasons) with the Kusari government.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Ingenious - 06-29-2011
' Wrote:The end.
So what you're saying is: placing a bounty can be an unlawful action.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Fletcher - 06-29-2011
' Wrote:So what you're saying is: placing a bounty can be an unlawful action.If its against lawful factions when your not at war, then yes.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Ingenious - 06-29-2011
' Wrote:If its against lawful factions when your not at war, then yes.
The question here is, by whose laws? If all the houses are beneficent absolutist governments, then criminals are unlawfuls. But, for example, in the Maltese House, corporate traders are unlawful, and cardamine smugglers are lawful.
Trading with Bretonia could be seen as an unlawful action by a lawful Kusari group.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Fletcher - 06-29-2011
' Wrote:The question here is, by whose laws? If all the houses are beneficent absolutist governments, then criminals are unlawfuls. But, for example, in the Maltese House, corporate traders are unlawful, and cardamine smugglers are lawful.Hating people for trading with your enemy is one things, isolating yourself from your suppliers and trade partners is not.
Trading with Bretonia could be seen as an unlawful action by a lawful Kusari group.
We didn't go to war with Russia for supplying most of the known world with AK-47's did we? We didn't shoot the makers of the AK. It is arguably about proxies, as this bounty board is suggesting, but I digress.
War is lawful, since its against soldiers. War against civilians is against the rules, look at Libya. And I apologize for bringing the real world into this folks!
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Ingenious - 06-29-2011
' Wrote:Hating people for trading with your enemy is one things, isolating yourself from your suppliers and trade partners is not.
We didn't go to war with Russia for supplying most of the known world with AK-47's did we? We didn't shoot the makers of the AK. It is arguably about proxies, as this bounty board is suggesting, but I digress.
War is lawful, since its against soldiers. War against civilians is against the rules, look at Libya. And I apologize for bringing the real world into this folks!
We have no right to question Samura's RP choices as long as they're within the rules. If the KNF/KP player factions are ok with this bounty, then it is a lawful bounty. Furthermore, Samura should and will suffer the RP consequences for such a bounty.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - alphadog - 06-29-2011
' Wrote:The question here is, by whose laws? If all the houses are beneficent absolutist governments, then criminals are unlawfuls. But, for example, in the Maltese House, corporate traders are unlawful, and cardamine smugglers are lawful.There's a pretty clear definition what is lawful and what not. The point of view is not really relevant when it comes to that definition: http://discoverygc.com/wiki/index.php/ID.
Trading with Bretonia could be seen as an unlawful action by a lawful Kusari group.
Ordering to destroy a vessel is the same as destroying it yourself. So yes, placing a bounty on a target that you can't shoot yourself can be considered an ID violation if you ask me.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - dodike - 06-29-2011
' Wrote:There's a pretty clear definition what is lawful and what not. The point of view is not really relevant when it comes to that definition: http://discoverygc.com/wiki/index.php/ID.Where exactly?
' Wrote:Ordering to destroy a vessel is the same as destroying it yourself. So yes, placing a bounty on a target that you can't shoot yourself can be considered an ID violation if you ask me.So what about all those advices from the admin team that if you are not allowed to attack specific IDs you are supposed to use mercenaries as proxies? All void now?
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Jihadjoe - 06-29-2011
' Wrote:So what you're saying is: placing a bounty can be an unlawful action.
Can be, yes.
That's only logical really. It depends on the situation, who the bounty is placed upon, and the house government's view of that group. Naturally, some groups will be considered a lawful group in some places, and an unlawful one in others.
It's not black and white, not by a long way. However I'd say that the Kusari government wouldn't regard independant traders as universally unlawful, and would be rather annoyed by Samura paying for the death of every last one coming into Kusari.