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RE: Increasing Unlawful mining bonus - Inferno - 12-06-2016
(12-06-2016, 04:16 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: I would rather see unlawful out doing trouble than sitting in a field and mining.
Irp they would have also poorer tech to mine with while the actual mining factions have better advanced tech.
And what about the Xenos, who have the secret hand of USI to give them mining supplies from DSE?
Being a Xeno is hard to be mean, y'know. Mining is another way to make a little money with a faction that cant demand money.
RE: Increasing Unlawful mining bonus - Lewis Harry Stone - 12-06-2016
(12-06-2016, 03:47 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Furthermore, even though I really like the Mollys, I think that it would not really be fair towards those "normal" mining factions. They are - let's be honest - really boring to play and their only advantage really is: fast mining.
Mollys, Hessians, and all those factions that now got mining bonuses... Sairs, OC, Order, Zoners, AI.... ... ... they have their nieche in the game. They have a job to do. And all of their jobs are more interesting than those of mining factions. So they would be "mining + X", while the mining factions are "mining only".
Therefore... sorry.
I understand where it is coming from, and 2,5 is not a great bonus, but the difference between your 2,5 and the 3,0 that mining factions have on some of their ore is not that massive.
Actually, we don't have a 2.5 bonus, we have a 2.0 bonus, it would be a big difference if we had a 3.0 multiplier.
And inRP, Mollys are mostly buying stuff with their gold that they mine, instead of stealing credits from BMM.
(12-06-2016, 04:16 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: I would rather see unlawful out doing trouble than sitting in a field and mining.
Irp they would have also poorer tech to mine with while the actual mining factions have better advanced tech.
This is not what Mollys are doing, also... Mollys are ex miner, they know what they need to mine efficiently.
RE: Increasing Unlawful mining bonus - Jack_Henderson - 12-06-2016
On second thought... ah... I can't decide.
I would not have anything against an increase to 2,5... or... 3,0... I can't decide.
Only specialised lore-wise unlawful miners however should have that.
The last round, in which suddenly pretty much every faction can mine is a little weird.
So... yes... I have made up my mind:
"traditional" unlawful miners with just 1 ore that they are specialised in via lore (like Molly, Hessians) => up to x3 bonus
RE: Increasing Unlawful mining bonus - Wesker - 12-06-2016
I'd personally like to see the blood diamond commodity buffed at all sell points for the Hessians. However it never did make sense to me why the Hessians have less of a bonus in comparison to Daumann or Kruger. A good portion of the Hessians are miners. We have our own made mining tech that runs parallel to that of daumann's level. Yet we still have a 2.0 bonus.
Also the sellpoint prices as pointed out by the person making the op, are far less than that of the lawfuls.
In short this makes 0 sense. The argument of PoBs is completely invalid for the Hessians, as we don't have any PoBs nor have I ever supported the making of one. Even if we had a Pob, the sellprice would probably be less than 3k.
RE: Increasing Unlawful mining bonus - Haste - 12-06-2016
Unlawfuls should be mining miners instead.
RE: Increasing Unlawful mining bonus - Wesker - 12-06-2016
(12-06-2016, 04:47 PM)Haste Wrote: Unlawfuls should be mining miners instead.
But it doesnt work when the miners log off at the sight of us.
RE: Increasing Unlawful mining bonus - Blodwyn O'Driscoll - 12-06-2016
So we're talking about molly mining bonus, aren't we ?
Well, it's not the first time the suject came around : link
In fact, i even remember underlining it everytime in the monthly faction lead report.
So, for thoses who don't know what the sudbect, Mollys and Hessians used to have a x2.5 on a single mining comodity ( gold ore, and uncut diamonds ).
And it was nerfed to x2.0 some time ago ( maybe in 4.86, i can't say ), without any explanation beside : they're unlawfull, they'll get a bad mining bonus, setting aside any lore justification.
Like, belonging to that artificial classification was a reason per see, for such a mining bonus. Very well.
(12-06-2016, 02:38 PM)Antonio Wrote: Considering most unlawful IDs have an ID very close to a terrorist one (the only class they can't straight up engage being transports) and usually a full shipline all the way up to battleships (Corsairs, Outcasts) or at least cruisers, it'd be unfair towards lawful mining factions who don't have such benefits.
Comparing apple with oranges ?, You're saying because some unlawfull faction have access to battleship or just cruiser, while mining faction do not, they should have the lowest mining bonus.
Then what about comparing the ability of thoses factions to access every local market, to fly inside a house without being shoot at by everything, hunt by hunters, police and militaries alike and so on...
Note that i do not contest that, on the contrary, it's logical. It's the contrary which isn't. TheHessians and mollys , both originate from revolting miners.
When it comes to fly cruisers, or battleships i think IMG, has the ability to fly a battle cruiser. And a number of thoses mining faction are able to actively hunt their enemies, and so on...
So, unlawfull with a mining bonus superior to x3.0 would be a big no-no !
What about thoses :
(01-04-2016, 10:52 AM)Auriec Wrote: Azurite Gas:
3x - Order, Core, AI, PRIME|
4x - IRG|, Order|, Core|
Xeno Relics:
2x - Outcast
3x - Corsairs
4x - [TBH]
Iridium Ore:
3x - Order, Core, Zoners, AI, OSI-, IRG|, PRIME|
4x - Order|, Core|
So some unlawfull would get a x3.0 or better for the officals, when it comes to , not one mining comodity, but sometimes two, , and some won't because they're unlawfull. Raw logic, again...
I personally think, the reason behind all of thiis false perception of an issue that could arise : Some people thin that giving a better bonus to thoses faction would result in thoses unlawfullcompeting with mining factions. While it's nowhere to be true.
How a x3.0 bonus could be equal to the five 5 mining bonus including two x4.0, the mining faction got ?
I say, let's give a try, and if, for example the molly, get more activity than let's say IMG| or BMF, i assure you that i would consider the fact as indeed a blance issue
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RE: Increasing Unlawful mining bonus - Blodwyn O'Driscoll - 12-06-2016
(12-06-2016, 04:47 PM)Haste Wrote: Unlawfuls should be mining miners instead.
Having a better bonus won't prevent them to keep doing so .
RE: Increasing Unlawful mining bonus - Tabris - 12-06-2016
Ah yes, this problem. While I wouldn't approve of a full 4x buff (as that would render ID's such as BMM's rather pointless) a x3 buff wouldn't be too bad. As for mining miners, kinda hard to do so when they got lawfuls on speed-dial and they come with cruisers, battleships and snubs to kill your single poor Pirate.
There used to be a place where Mollys/Hessians could dump ore in 52, but the Ore-Points were removed as economy updates went through so now they are pretty much forced to either deal with the Junkers who may or may not sell them out in exchange for concessions for their bases/wipe out past crimes or transfer the ore to their 'lawful' traders which renders it all pointless from an RP point of view.
RE: Increasing Unlawful mining bonus - evanz - 12-06-2016
(12-06-2016, 04:54 PM)Wesker Wrote:(12-06-2016, 04:47 PM)Haste Wrote: Unlawfuls should be mining miners instead.
But it doesnt work when the miners log off at the sight of us.
well you could say the same, when logging on when you see miners
works both ways