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RE: It's not too late to fix Caps - Hubjump - 04-15-2017
I agree too also
Sombra:
"Also horrible: Battlecruisers/Destroyers being able to kill battleships very easily without a problem. Both the thrusters and the CDs make the big difference. Either the battleships get a thruster (a slow one) or the BCs/Ds shouldn't have CDs anymore."
i agree with this but i dont think giving caps a cd is the right thing, i mean... maybe
but it just seems like a stretch to bring an after burner to a capital warship
(also removing nanos and trying to balance armor imo was nice
.)
RE: It's not too late to fix Caps - Sombs - 04-15-2017
Well, battleships don't need a CD, they have battleship missiles. Not really good to prevent anyone from fleeing, but from cloaking as well as to get rid of the shields. I would suggest to replace the CD of battlecruisers and cruisers with something similar. A slow, heavy CD, not a "I-throw-battlecruisers-against-everything"-CDs. In other words: Getting rid of cruiser/bc CDs and give them Cruiser missiles for that slot that work like CDs. That together with slow battleship thrusters may be useful.
RE: It's not too late to fix Caps - sindroms - 04-15-2017
I wonder what would happen if you allowed capiships cruiser and above to expel their max DPS not forwards or backwards, but broadside only, necessitating the use of turret steering.
RE: It's not too late to fix Caps - Epo - 04-15-2017
I can't really say too much on it as I've always been garbage both in caps and snubs, but a friend of mine said the cerbnerf was bad ( who was quite decent pilot in the past ). So I trust his experience.
Also,after those years with cerbs nerfed and being in favor of that, I must admit I have changed my mind - I miss the old cerbs. Nowdays it's kinda prims and mortars spot-aiming, while it used to be more blindfire oriented in the past. +1 to revert it.
Tho, I like their lack of bots and the removal of cr razors tbh
RE: It's not too late to fix Caps - Implosion - 04-15-2017
I concur with the OP. ( as in Original post, not overpowered, although he is abit OP, but I digress )
THERE IS STILL TIME!
RE: It's not too late to fix Caps - Titan* - 04-15-2017
+1
we need old cerbs, especially heavy batlteships needs it cuz they are worst class in the game.Useless vs anything, heavy battleships had more dps than light and med bs with old cerbs
now they sit at 4k and spam mortars till heavy bs die also if you have less hp than light bs, you will die in prim range cuz heavy bs have same dps as light and medium bs
for me Light and Medium BS pvp is fine but Heavy Battleships needs rework
also cap fights was more fun with old cerbs.Now its boring, battleships firing mortars to eachother and ships that have bigger size dies first
(04-15-2017, 10:07 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: Can someone give a simple list of what exactly was different regarding battleships in 4.85?
If I'm honest, I'm pretty okay with the current battleship-PvP. The only thing that annoys the hell out of me is the fact that any a-hat can CD you with any CD. Mighty battleship engines shouldn't be CD'd that simply. There isn't much a battleship can do about snubs, especially light battleships that don't have the power core to effectively flak snubs off, as anything else is too easy to dodge.
Also horrible: Battlecruisers/Destroyers being able to kill battleships very easily without a problem. Both the thrusters and the CDs make the big difference. Either the battleships get a thruster (a slow one) or the BCs/Ds shouldn't have CDs anymore.
lone Battlecruiser can't do anything to light-medium bs but can kill heavy bs easly. If you know what to do then you can easly take out Destroyer with Light and Medium BS but you will die if you are on Heavy BS, probably desy will mortar your heavy bs till you die
RE: It's not too late to fix Caps - Hubjump - 04-15-2017
(04-15-2017, 10:22 PM)sindroms Wrote: I wonder what would happen if you allowed capiships cruiser and above to expel their max DPS not forwards or backwards, but broadside only, necessitating the use of turret steering.
Erm
Turret steering isnt just broad side
There are multiple variants i have been teaching my self to counter the likes of valor prims, Battle cruiser and all normal capital ship primaries as well as variants to counter other combat techniques but im not going to vomit my monopoly of tactics and tricks here :|
im just saying, TS isnt just broad siding and please do not make it good for only that
RE: It's not too late to fix Caps - Titan* - 04-15-2017
(04-15-2017, 10:18 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: Well, battleships don't need a CD, they have battleship missiles. Not really good to prevent anyone from fleeing, but from cloaking as well as to get rid of the shields. I would suggest to replace the CD of battlecruisers and cruisers with something similar. A slow, heavy CD, not a "I-throw-battlecruisers-against-everything"-CDs. In other words: Getting rid of cruiser/bc CDs and give them Cruiser missiles for that slot that work like CDs. That together with slow battleship thrusters may be useful.
pls no. BC and Cruiser without cd have no chance against Eking battleships, tho imagine BC eking on Cruiser you cant cd the bc so you will die
it will nerf BC-Cruisers to ground. also battleships dont need thruster
RE: It's not too late to fix Caps - Sombs - 04-15-2017
Well, yes. Light Battleships are weaker against snub groups as they can't lolwutty tank them out like a Ranseur, but battlecruisers can easily take out heavies. The former could be more equal by lowering the power usage of the flak a little more or give Solaris a bit less DPS but more speed - nothing is more frustrating than non-bomber snubs rolfing around you and you can't do shit against it, because they still can dodge BS Solaris. Like, either make snub vs battleship equally inefficient or make snubs at least "fear" battleships again, as it is hilarious when a bunch of snubs (not bombers) can still bring down a light battleship.
RE: It's not too late to fix Caps - Chills - 04-15-2017
Wesker, you were not the only one whose opinion was that the nerfed Cerbs are a bad idea for cap combat.
The time cerbs are nerfed to the actual low range the many duels and battles I had fought with my capital ships showed how important
the long range cerbs were for heavy battleships.
Where heavy battleships had the chance to actually do damage on high range while still being on a range at which they could dodge fire, now they are going under in a long range mortar combat. Lighter battleships have no problems dodging any mortars on even lower ranges down to 2k, and evade enough primary gun fire on the same range to survive a fight with any heavy battleship. This makes heavy battleships unsatisfying to play.
Even the most feared heavy battleship, the valor, stands nearly no chance to a medium battleship like the liberty dreadnought, as many fights like a recent duel between wesker and an overlord player showed. While Wesker, as everyone knows a skilled cap player, was only able to scratch a little the overlord with his valor, he took a huge amount of damage and left the fight. I duelled the same overlord then with my long range setup valor and only barely won thanks to spamming 2 battleship missles. Flying a lighter battleship takes much less effort now, it's just mainly straving and firing prims and mortars backyard. Handling a heavy battleship is still much more difficult and the only chance for less skilled players to win is to get a cloak and buttcloak the lighter battleship, but oh well, cloak CDs are there, yeah ez win for light battleships. People don't even want to fly heavy battleships such like valor now. Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/results?q=discovery+freelancer+edinburgh&sp=CAI%253D. 8 Dunkirks and one Crecy, on the GRN side 2 Valors and 6 Battlecruiser. This video represents the past balance changes. This is the result of the huge nerfes for the valors aswell for the crecys. The restult of the event: Draw.
To win the last New London raids, which Wesker had recorded and uploaded to Youtube, we had to cruise + engine kill up to the Dunkirks. I can't imagine this was very enjoyable for the BAF players and for me it wasn't either. It was not challenging and over in an instant.
The old cerberus were important for heavy battleships in order to give them a fighting chance against lighter caps. Right now heavy caps are going under, the gap in effectiveness between light/medium and heavy caps is much too huge right now to make capital ship combat enjoyable for both sides.
- RNS-Ressentiment, sometimes CNS-Nutella, Mount.Rongyu