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|I|I| Daemons (Also known as "The Binary') - Primus Avatar - 01-11-2009
The thing I'm afraid we wont get our own ID, or ships in 4.85.
Unless, an admin comes here and explains their point of view.
Can we make it? I do hope so, but we need to act quick, time is running out.
what id like people to vote & discuss is:
1) Affilation with Zoners
2) Tag and Name ( i personally wanted |MA|Machine Remnants so it would oppose its nemesis =CR= but Marburg informed us it was not available)
3) your personal opinion: what did you want changed in the Harvesters?
|I|I| Daemons (Also known as "The Binary') - Orin - 01-11-2009
Zoners might work, as long as you don't play like your Harvester roots might suggest. The Zoners allow a lot of crap and violence, but they would never sit pretty with a group as terrorist-like as the Harvesters, or this faction if it goes along those same lines.
Tag, I'd still go with AI, MA, or MI. That's a simple enough issue.
I would have liked them to be less PvP based, and an ID that would allow a more intellectual, rather than kill everything, role might help there.
Why could not the Harvester ID to come simply be changed to a more generalized ID that discounts such violence and allows a broader role? It's worth a shot to go for, I'd think.
|I|I| Daemons (Also known as "The Binary') - Drake - 01-11-2009
MR is not available, I think MA is. Are you actually hostile towards the CR for any particular reason other than the fact that you remind them of Cylons? Any particular reasoning behind your other hostiles?
I don't see any reason whatsoever why you would be hostile, or even unfriendly, with the Zoners. Unless you try to harvest Zoner bases/ships/pilots. I imagine Zoners and Junkers would probably be the friendliest of the NPC factions towards you.
@Orin: Making a Machine ID which is open to a wide variety of machine RP, yet not too open to be easily abusable, would be really, really hard. Impossible, I think. Machines can run the full gamut from protectors of humanity to devourers of humanity, and one ID can't manage that.
|I|I| Daemons (Also known as "The Binary') - Primus Avatar - 01-11-2009
' Wrote:How about something like a Machine Intellect ID. More of a generalized ID not unlike the Researcher one, with tweaks and balancing, allowing more of a hostile approach if it is needed. Definitely some ship restrictions.
This would allow for more RP, and the Harvesters could still do their thing, under whatever banner they so choose.
How about this:
Machine Alliance
Pilot carrying this ID is a member of the Machine Alliance, who:
* Can demand credits or cargo from any non-Allied factions
* Can only land at, and trade between, Junker and Corsair bases, as well as planets Primus and Gammu
* Can destroy Outcasts and IMG on sight
* Cannot enter Kusari, Liberty or Gallia
* Cannot fulfil bounty contracts
* Cannot ally with anyone allied with Outcasts or IMG
* Cannot use any ships except for Junker, Harvester or Civilian ships, and the Zoner gunboat
Allowed ships: Fighters, Bombers, Freighters, Transports, Gunboats, Cruisers
Carrying unmounted IDs in your ship, as well as not equipping an ID, is a serious crime. Using the Machine Alliance ID is not allowed for players who are not members of the Machine Alliance faction and for players who were expelled from the Machine Alliance.
this is based on the following
Quote:Pilot carrying this ID is a Harvester, who:
* Can demand credits or cargo from any non-Junker or non-Corsair factions
* Can only land at, and trade between, Junker and Corsair bases, as well as planets Primus and Gammu
* Can destroy Zoners on sight
* Cannot enter Kusari, Liberty or Gallia
* Cannot fulfil bounty contracts
* Cannot ally with any lawfuls
* Cannot use any ships except for Junker, Harvester or Civilian ships, and the Zoner gunboat
Allowed ships: Fighters, Bombers, Freighters, Transports, Gunboats, Cruisers
Carrying unmounted IDs in your ship, as well as not equipping an ID, is a serious crime. Using the Harvester ID is not allowed for players who are not members of the Harvesters faction and for players who were expelled from the Harvesters.
and should give us more space.
|I|I| Daemons (Also known as "The Binary') - Orin - 01-11-2009
Quote:@Orin: Making a Machine ID which is open to a wide variety of machine RP, yet not too open to be easily abusable, would be really, really hard. Impossible, I think. Machines can run the full gamut from protectors of humanity to devourers of humanity, and one ID can't manage that.I don't think so. Take the Harvey ID, restrict more of the kill anyone ethos, and allow them more leeway in other areas.
|I|I| Daemons (Also known as "The Binary') - Primus Avatar - 01-11-2009
' Wrote:MR is not available, I think MA is. Are you actually hostile towards the CR for any particular reason other than the fact that you remind them of Cylons? Any particular reasoning behind your other hostiles?
I have had a lot of RP experience with =CR=
You should have seen how much of a good show they can put. In my long history of knowing them I've heard volumes of lectures about how they think all AI is evil, they don't have second opinions and they wish to save YOU from US even if we are not a threat.
From what I've seen they are excellent roleplayers and they put a lot of effort in doing their job.
|I|I| Daemons (Also known as "The Binary') - Drake - 01-11-2009
' Wrote:I have had a lot of RP experience with =CR=
You should have seen how much of a good show they can put. In my long history of knowing them I've heard volumes of lectures about how they think all AI is evil, they don't have second opinions and they wish to save YOU from US even if we are not a threat.
From what I've seen they are excellent roleplayers and they put a lot of effort in doing their job.
Never said they didn't, just wondering why you were immediately hostile to them. Or Outcasts. Or any of the other hostiles. Outcasts and IMG are deadly enemies, for example, so it would make sense to be slightly friendlier towards them. Not like cardamine is a problem for you.
By the way, I very much do not support a faction-specific ID or ships. Maybe an ID open to any machine character, if it could be written well (though I think other IDs depending on RP might be better), and I really think Jinx's Harvester ships should still be included as AI or remote controlled ships, but not faction-specific.
|I|I| Daemons (Also known as "The Binary') - Boss - 01-11-2009
I currently have two unaffiliated AI floating around....
It looks nice, very much so.
|I|I| Daemons (Also known as "The Binary') - Cosmos - 01-11-2009
im harvester 21, and i wont change my name from that, no matter what happens, its how we started, and imo its how we will end, and only scorn and the admins have the right too change that.
|I|I| Daemons (Also known as "The Binary') - Orin - 01-11-2009
Exactly why I think a more generalized open ID, that has options, would be optimal.
Might be a touch difficult to accomplish, but that's no reason not to try.