(12-31-2019, 01:50 PM)Ironblood Wrote: Along with a full fledged battlegroup.

(12-31-2019, 01:40 PM)SnakThree Wrote: Stop whining. Zoners are nothing but Freelancers with different IFF. Play them like Zoners, and not some militia for once. And stop complaining about your beloved zoners who in the past have been untouched and received more than some factions well deserving more assets.

(12-31-2019, 12:29 PM)Swallow Wrote: Playing sucks, start modeling, that's more interesting.

(12-31-2019, 12:32 PM)Typrop Wrote: Why is your font size larger than usual?

(12-31-2019, 12:41 PM)Baron Montluc Wrote: 1. Zoners' crying is already a meme, you are merely contributing to it. There is a reason why in 2:

2. Zoners inRP are a loose bunch of fugitives incapable of organisation to rival Corsairs, Outcasts, whoever big, especially a professional military like BAF (it is like greenpeace or some Association of Fisherman tried to fight US Navy on conditions that the later can use lethal force). The only thing inRP zoners could do is to ally with someone more organised to fight Bretonia. A pity, but Coalition at the time was following the peaceful way.

3. Despite No. 2, zoners have BS, Cruisers (inRp this is pure magic) just for gameplay reasons, mostly to farm nommies. And despite this special treatment zoners continued to cry. No wonder hating zoners is mainstream.

What can you do in this case? IMHO, create an attractive RP of good quality that would be interesting to your inRP enemies as well, i.e. Bretonia. Atm the clashes in O49 pump the number of players to over 70, so join the bandwagon, side with the Coalition and try to rise the reputation of zoners. Otherwise, it will just be another zoner cry that most would ignore or despise.

(12-31-2019, 12:54 PM)Groshyr Wrote: Zoners gameplay wise just freelancers with battleships. Mod won't lose a lot if zoner and zoner guard IFFs will stop to exist.

(12-31-2019, 12:56 PM)Typrop Wrote: They can powertrade better. Otherwise the caps are basically worthless and have little reason to exist in both concept and practice.

(12-31-2019, 12:57 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: Little correction: Zoners have capital ships mostly for the sake of roaming around well-defended in untamed space. These ships are focused inRP on defensive aspects, self-sustainment and logistics. They are more of research ships than warships. Has nothing to do with magic. Ingame this is just adjusted to be on par with everyhting else, which gives people wrong ideas on what these ships are.

Short:
Nephilim - Mobile Colony Ship - not meant to colonize planets but to be mobile versions of Freeports
Aquilon - Carrier, mostly for logistical and defensive purposes, basically what is used when a Whale isn't an option
Fearless - Long-range escort ships

The scale comparison of (private) companies with state military is still valid, though.

(12-31-2019, 01:34 PM)Groshyr Wrote: Ptrain is better than zoner whale. Change my mind if it not

(12-31-2019, 01:40 PM)SnakThree Wrote: Stop whining. Zoners are nothing but Freelancers with different IFF. Play them like Zoners, and not some militia for once. And stop complaining about your beloved zoners who in the past have been untouched and received more than some factions well deserving more assets.

(12-31-2019, 01:50 PM)Ironblood Wrote: It is done in a fair way. In a way where Zoners have no reasons to further put themselves into jeopardy and fight for Gran Canaria.
The planet was invaded by 1.8 million Bretonian marines. Along with a full fledged battlegroup.
I am uncertain about the Zoner population of Sirius but i'd believe it barely reaches that number, and in no way one would gather all these people in one place for a risky endeavor with so little chance for success. Zoners live in the most harsh part of Sirius, where you survive either with force or ingenuity.

They chose the second path, and it is only logical with how loose and scarce their population is.

For an average Zoner living somewhere in Taus, Omegas or distant Omicrons it makes no sense to fight a lost war over a forcefully seized planet that they once inhabitated. They have their own lives established elsewhere, and won't go great lengths for this.

Deal with it and deprieve these forums from your endless, pointless rants about how you are disappointed with Zoners being "mistreated". This is your subjective opinion, and yours alone.

(12-31-2019, 01:58 PM)Lanakov Wrote: Zoners were always the unconsenting victims of a Discovery-scale conspiracy. Yes, you heard it here first, kids, I'm admitting to it right now. We actually need the Zoner tears to keep the server running ; there's a malevolent god at its heart that revels in the sorrow of the galaxy's malcontents. Everything bad that happens to the Zoners is entirely by design.

Seriously though : whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, oh why do you constantly have to complain about the Zoners' fate ? They are not an organised society by their definition, certainly not paramilitary material (that there were so many Zoner paramilitaries always, always baffled me) and they've always been written, as mentioned by several people above, as no more than refugees, runaways, fringe elements and other marginals who couldn't bear House space for one reason or other.

OF COURSE these poor souls are going to be victimised by every bastard with a gun each chance they get. They're going to be persecuted, driven from their homes, treated as collateral damage and moved from one bad situation to another. That's the Zoners. Although they do get cruisers and battleship wannabe vessels, for some reason. It is the way, that's what makes Zoner gameplay and roleplay so interesting. You're on your own and outgunned in a world of hungry and territorial ponces. How do you survive ? Zoner roleplay should NOT be about controlling entire planets and fighting back entire nations toe to toe in high intensity warfare. There are millions of ways you could be doing that coherently. Like teaming up with the Coalition, as was also pointed out. It's what I'd do if I were a runaway who found a haven compromised by people who enjoy lamb with mint sauce, the mad freaks.

I get your frustration, but man, your astonishing commitment to Zoners makes you see every decision as against you personally. No ! Zoners are simply being treated by the team as what they are. Poor people who ran away. Yeah it's tragic and the Bretonians are massive sods for manhandling them like they did, but... What else would you have wanted to happen ? Boom the Zoner Military Corporation of Justice marches up to London and takes it inside the week ?
No luck, Gallia just tried that and failed. And they had Valors.

Also, was the Man in the High Castle's ending that terrible ? I've had a hard time sticking with it through the first season. I mean, promising start, and based on a fascinating book, but the damn thing took far too long to get going and there are pace issues. If it's like that until a disappointing end...

(12-31-2019, 02:00 PM)Thunderer Wrote: Not really, it is the weakest Bretonian battlegroup, less than half the strength of a normal one. The Stirling is about 500 years old. But yes, still out of any Zoner's reach, at least without help from some real military force.

(12-31-2019, 02:30 PM)Groshyr Wrote: I really want to date this guy

(12-31-2019, 02:41 PM)Aazalot Wrote: Alright lets get into this again shall we. As one of those who was at the initial forefront of crying over the Zoners losing Gran Canaria i initiallly was ready to just leave. Instead i created the Lokria Character and tried a little resistance angle which was fun but was snuffed rather easially, despite what i could muster in game we faced the same numbers issue that Gallic players had, for every one ship we logged Bretonia had like 3, but never the less we had a few fun short skirmishs and i got to do some RP on the forums that was enjoyable.

However despite people wishing me to carry on with the Angle the motivation was beaten out of me by comments from staff and others with privalged positions basically stating it would mean nothing, that its all set in stone, no actions done by me or any other players would change the course, that even if i created a full on Zoner group and outfitted Ten players with Nephs, they wouldnt count as in in game assets dont mean anything.

As far as the story is concerned (at the time) Zoners have a handful of Capitol ships littered around Sirius belonging to differant groups for differant reasons. And knowing that is quite the killer of motivation. This attitude however needs to be picked up by everyone else complaining about Zoner's having Cap ships, the Neph IN STORY is a mobile coloney ship, its not made for combat. Just because you see five appear to be used as such, it doesnt count as per the Story. The Aquilion is a patrol ship used for keeping the more remote regions Zoners inhabit safe, and the Fearless Story wise is just an older Trade hull that got some extra duct tape and Guns put on it.

In regards to OSI, we are a ZONER Trading faction, we spend out efforts on Trade and diplomacy, we have at most a small Security Wing for the RARE times our ships get attacked, we do not have the strength to take on Bretonia nor would we have done, as OSI's entire existance stems on being Neutral, its about as Zoner a faction as you will find. We left Bretonia to its devices and ensure we are on good terms with all those involved with it. Random Tangent, getting pretty tired of people saying OSI isnt a Zoner group, because you wont find many other groups who adhere to the Zoner way of Neutralty More then we do.

Anyways, moving on from my initial reaction it was a realisation, as stated above that this is Zoner nature, we do not get involved, we try to keep to ourselves. Gran Canaria was one such place for us to do that but its been conquered by Devtonia for story purposes. Zoner wise the most we could logically do is leave, which is what the story was aiming for with the exodus trade event where migrants went to Corfu/Pygar. So as not to let that go to waste i endevoured to make Pygar's colonisation an Rp in itself, and i did a fair amount of forum Rp for it and ALOT of too and fro messages on Discord and Forum PM's just to make sure i could do it, and yes it took time, and last i heard (till today) a trade event had been requested from Ageira.

From a Story standpoint theres not alot the Zoner's could do nor could be written about in comparison to say the Corsairs, the Sairs would have more resources to put up a resistance then the Zoner's hence why they got the Atmospheric entry point most likley. We have to Rp with what we are given so sayeth the Dev's, hence why i went from my Lokria Rp to focusing on Pygar.

Also people who live in Glass houses, should masturbate in the basement.

(12-31-2019, 02:44 PM)Groshyr Wrote: #RemoveZoners

(12-31-2019, 02:41 PM)Aazalot Wrote: Devtonia

(12-31-2019, 02:41 PM)Aazalot Wrote: In regards to OSI, we are a CORPORATE(abusing the zoner reps) Trading faction

(12-31-2019, 03:43 PM)Markam Wrote:

(12-31-2019, 02:41 PM)Aazalot Wrote: Devtonia

Took more posts than I would have anticipated. Stirling is dying in an event with no chance of survival regardless of the result, and Bretonia doesn't take out any enemies in the process of losing it, but I know the Devtonia crowd only sees what they want to see.

Zoners are on the up and up eh! Pygar got a ring and you still do what you have always done, fly big ships that have no use and power trade.