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Rescaling the Kusari Destroyer - guitarguy - 05-07-2010
As a former Ku Dessie owner I agree a scale-up is appropriate. 2x looks best from the model. I don't think a reduction in maneuverability is necessary as long as it keeps the smaller power core.
EDIT: About 20% think it needs no change, but I can't see any posts explaining why.
Rescaling the Kusari Destroyer - Curios - 05-07-2010
Quote:Leave Ku_dessie alone, if you don't know how to handle it in fight its your personnel fault not size issue.
Rescaling the Kusari Destroyer - Tenacity - 05-07-2010
Definitely needs to be scaled up, 2x looks about right.
The kusari dessie is literally the same size as a liberty gunboat. Every other destroyer-class ship in the mod which has the same powercore (1.4m) is nearly twice the size of the kusari destroyer, has lower manuverability, and has fewer weapons.
That one ship is holding back the entire cruiser class from potential rebalancing, and it makes the bretonia-kusari war very lopsided (though, I suppose -all- of the kusari ships make that war lopsided).
People need to realize that vanilla FL was never properly balanced, and the capships were never meant to be used by players to begin with. The ships were designed to fill the storyline, not for multiplayer use.
Rescaling the Kusari Destroyer - Curios - 05-07-2010
' Wrote:Definitely needs to be scaled up, 2x looks about right.
The kusari dessie is literally the same size as a liberty gunboat. Every other destroyer-class ship in the mod which has the same powercore (1.4m) is nearly twice the size of the kusari destroyer, has lower manuverability, and has fewer weapons.
That one ship is holding back the entire cruiser class from potential rebalancing, and it makes the bretonia-kusari war very lopsided (though, I suppose -all- of the kusari ships make that war lopsided).
People need to realize that vanilla FL was never properly balanced, and the capships were never meant to be used by players to begin with. The ships were designed to fill the storyline, not for multiplayer use.
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Definitely needs to be scaled up, 2x looks about right.
The Sabre VHF with fullkraken and inferno is so cool so i can't fight it down Q_Q its obvious we need to scale up every saber on x3 size, yes
its np.
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That one ship is holding back the entire VHF class from potential rebalancing, and it makes the every war very lopsided. Indeed so, it can solo gunboat what a heck?
People need to realize that vanilla FL was never properly balanced, and the capships were never meant to be used by players to begin with. The ships were designed to fill the storyline, not for multiplayer use.
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Seriously, that was discussed already. Kudessie have a strong gun placment issue, you can't use it as a regular cruiser (evading and shooting back). Werewolf can solo destroyer alone in that situation. Don't look at kusari destroyer like on other cruisers, it have good advantages balanced with epic disadvantages, you just need to use proper tactics against it.
D:<
Rescaling the Kusari Destroyer - Friday - 05-07-2010
Quote:Leave Ku_dessie alone, if you don't know how to handle it in fight its your personnel fault not size issue.
Think we cant handle it in a fight eh?
Quote:The Sabre VHF with fullkraken and inferno is so cool so i can't fight it down Q_Q its obvious we need to scale up every saber on x3 size, yes
its np.
ye
The Sabre is an appropriate size for a fighter. What are YOU talking about?
Quote:Indeed so, it can solo gunboat what a heck?So can every other Cruiser-class ship. What are YOU talking about?
Quote:People need to realize that vanilla FL was never properly balanced, and the capships were never meant to be used by players to begin with. The ships were designed to fill the storyline, not for multiplayer use.
If you like - lets revert the Hatchet back to Vanilla. It can have its 11 turrets and no shield - sound good?
Please note - I dont consider your comments to be flames - they are not even wrong!
Rescaling the Kusari Destroyer - tansytansey - 05-07-2010
Curios, refrain from inflammatory and unconstructive comments or I will have a moderator remove your posts. This is not the place to flame.
EDIT: You too Tena. I don't want this thread to deteriorate into a flame.
Rescaling the Kusari Destroyer - Curios - 05-07-2010
@Tenacity
Pff, just want to force people to use brain capabilities while fighting kusari dessie, to be honest, i don't like to fly mine kusari dessie because its good only against lower then average pilots who don't know how to fight it. When you meet 2 average or high skilled pilots = you dead, not a big surprise.
Rescaling the Kusari Destroyer - Tommeh - 05-07-2010
I had enough battles against Kusari Destroyer to safely say it needs to be scaled up 2x.
Not cause I couldn't kill it, or it pwned me, it's just ridiculous to fight cruiser which is gunboat size. It doesn't fit in any crusier class which we have at the moment. And it's true what others said, it's holding back whole cruiser class from potential rebalancing, as that dessie would be overpowered more then it is.
Rescaling the Kusari Destroyer - Friday - 05-07-2010
' Wrote:As to the issue here, if this model had been submitted, fully hardpointed, hiboxed and functional a month or two ago, we'd in all likelihood see it in the next version. Now is a bit late though.
Can I please get a link to the thread stating that the deadline for ship submissions has passed?
Rescaling the Kusari Destroyer - Jihadjoe - 05-07-2010
I will personally set fire to the next person who fails to be civil in this thread. Clear?
That means McNeo, Tenacity and Curios. If you fail to debate in a productive way, and just start hurling turd at one another like apes, then I'll start bringing down the napalm.