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I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Daedric - 06-29-2011
' Wrote:From my observations, it's not only the big guns or power factions that ignore consequences. In disco, everyone does it.So your are condoning two wrongs making a right? I hear a few Omicroners toners saying I told you so.
Official factions have a responsibility to be the role models for others . This is telling new players it is okay to ignore consequences.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Zelot - 06-29-2011
' Wrote:So your are condoning two wrongs making a right? I hear a few Omicroners toners saying I told you so.
Official factions have a responsibility to be the role models for others . This is telling new players it is okay to ignore consequences.
No, I am saying if it is something that all official factions do (And I can assure you, every official faction has ignored the rp consequences of their actions at one time or another. ) Then it is accepted in the community, and if it's accepted in the community, it's not wrong, thus it's not about two wrongs making a right, it's about different rp actions. It's not a right and wrong thing, as much as it seems people like to tell others how they are wrong in this community.
And to a certain extent, yes I am saying it's ok to ignore consequences, but I only say this by long observation of the community and the factions. I am just agreeing to the accepted common behavior of this community. The community and the factions are giving a much more powerful indication to new people that ignoring rp consequences is ok than I ever could.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - SnakThree - 06-29-2011
' Wrote:From my observations, it's not only the big guns or power factions that ignore consequences. In disco, everyone does it.Not anyone can say FU and blast disliked groups.
Few factions acted when on deficit: IMG with O7 stuff, Liberty with HFuel is only two I saw or can remember while I have been active member of this community.
Discovery is wicked in every way. Backbone of whole house should be Corporations and general population, not militaries and police entities, well except Rheinland (and Gallia I'd guess).
But that's whole different subject not worth talking in game that is at stalemate for few years now and where community's most popular words are "I", "PvP" and "-RP (in negative meanings)".
I always held Kusari the highest of standards. But this blatant move and troll-like answers from Samura| members where the thread mostly exists as an general "we did bad, we made this thread, now excuse us while we cheaply let any legal Kusari criminal have free killing reign" is just over the line between lore and being jerks.
Probably too much of my emotional side but I had to say honest opinion.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Zelot - 06-29-2011
' Wrote:Even IND :shok: ?
Even IND, even the Lane Hackers, even everybody.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - blubba - 06-29-2011
Wow (jaw open)...
I am at a loss on this one.
Samura is offering bounties on lawful ships to be collected by Hogosha and AFA (ok I suppose so far) and Mercs.
Yes, mercs.
People who 'do stuff' for money.
In this case, probably a lot of money. Fair enough again.
What I don't see is how Samura expect to keep this quiet. Not realistically anyway.
If you honestly believe that things like this are 'unknown' to the powers that be, you are niave at best but even that pales into insignificance here.
A merc who fancies making VERY BIG CASH VERY FAST FOR NO WORK will not have to think hard on this prospect.
Think about it. A Merc. A person who (in Freelancer terms) risks his life for money.
For a million or so creds a pop.
Risks his life....for a lousy million or two.
Life or death...in just a moment.
Or, he gets the evidence Samura readily provides and sells it to each faction on that board of yours.
Knowing it is one thing. Having proof is another.
Just how much would they pay?
Each one.... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Lets take it one step further shall we?
A rival to Samura. Nothing like Samura's size obviously but vast compared to an individuals worth.
How much would they pay for that kind of info?
A merc could buy a PLANET with what that information is worth. There is no loyalty where cash is concerned. Ask the Reavers ;) if you don't believe me.
You need to seriously re-think your position there. Samura would die a death economically and take most of Kusari with it. On top of which, most Kusari vessels, assuming the government/emporer are seen to not do anything about Samura, will become a target all over Sirius including Kusari as well.
You can't compete with everyone else. Not unless you're a corsair (that last one is tongue-in-cheek). No business based empire can.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - dodike - 06-29-2011
' Wrote:From my observations, it's not only the big guns or power factions that ignore consequences. In disco, everyone does it.Yes, pretty much.
Unless the consequences are agreed on by all parties involved it turns into "NO U!" competition.
' Wrote:Even IND :shok: ?Yes, even the IND.
' Wrote:Even IND, even the Lane Hackers, even everybody.No! You didn't...:shok:
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Slartibartfast - 06-29-2011
If it was closed to Hogosha and FA, it would make a lot of sense. Making it open to mercs would very likely mean political/economical suicide.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Arashi - 06-29-2011
You do realize "Independent Traders" just means they are not working for a specific company. Which mean "SOME" of them could be Kusari citizens, unless you're saying the Kusari government has made it illegal to be independent.
So bounty-ing EVERYONE with the "we hate Gaijins" statement doesn't work.
Point in Fact, one of my characters (kind of in limbo right now) is a Kusari citizen, she traded in Kusari space.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - ugliestmoose - 06-29-2011
' Wrote:You need to seriously re-think your position there. Samura would die a death economically and take most of Kusari with it. On top of which, most Kusari vessels, assuming the government/emporer are seen to not do anything about Samura, will become a target all over Sirius including Kusari as well.I would listen to this guy. Ignoring all the oorp shenanigans this will inevitably cause, your galactic bounty would be a disaster for Kusari. First of all, if you really don't want foreign trade ships in Kusari then you should announce this publically. Simply putting a hit on everyone will make the foreign corporations very curious as to why their haulers are mysteriously disappearing in Kusari space. Even if they don't make the connection that Samura is behind it, they will regard Kusari as an untrustworthy place to conduct business, and will cut back on their dealings there. Which will hurt Kusari's economy tremendously, since one of the cornerstones of a strong economy is trade. The big problem here is that we can't see all of the financial effects of this in-game, so it's very easy to just say that Samura is self-sufficient and doesn't need to trade with anyone beyond Kusari's borders.
You can't compete with everyone else. Not unless you're a corsair (that last one is tongue-in-cheek). No business based empire can.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Arashi - 06-29-2011
I was kind of ninja'd by Cossack, but to add to it:
Part of the problem with Freelancer Discovery is there is huge game mechanic for PvP factions, but not really a game mechanic for RP, Economy, Influence, etc. (In otherwords, if it's not PvP, then it's purely up to players to decide if they want to accept something, which they usually don't because, 90% of everything people do is to help themselves).
So, bounties work well (it's PvP based)
Embargos, don't work so well (factions just assume they get enough supplies because their supplies never change. (if they game actually started telling you "you are low on <x> supplies" then you'd start feeling it)
I hate to bring this up cause I know it'll just turn it into anther "zonerzonerzoner" thread.... BUT:
If supply levels actually changed based on how much was "actually shipped and successfully delivered" a lot of things would be different here.
Traders could then make, break or seriously cause issues with house economies.
Each house/faction assumes "we don't need traders, we have our own, they do just fine"
I'd love to see a system put in effect that shows you all how TRADE really works, but I doubt that'll ever happen in a game designed originally as a PvP game.
If you notice, I haven't said anything for or against the bounty. It is within Samura RP to try and increase their power/monopoly. But a company that old, and that big, would know how to do it covertly. They'd also take into account it's affects on Kusari in whole.
If it hurts the government in an adverse way, they'd avoid it because if other houses decide the Kusari government isn't trustworthy or playing in good faith, thenALL negotiations would have detrimental attitudes/views applied to them. This is why I try to avoid politics. You think lawyers have twisted rules? Lawyers are just the children when it comes to political rules and backstabbing.