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I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - BaconSoda - 06-30-2011
Here's the scoop on Samura being "caught" on this bounty:
How many people could figure out that the FA were on Samura's payroll? I'm reading through the vanilla rumors and it says 0. How long have the FA been around? Forty years. Forty years of paying for clandestine acts and no one notices. Suddenly someone who isn't tagged FA gets hired and everyone knows it's Samura?
What about the rumors on Elbich about Pirates attacking Elbich who had similar flying styles to the same people Kruger hires to attack Breisen? If they can't put those two integers together into another integer, how do you know anything about Mercenaries?
Or how about Interspace letting GC land on Roppongi. How many times has anyone ever done anything about that? That's only been happening for about a century if we're conservative. Whatever.
And lets not forget the Privateers! "Lets fly around Challengers and Templars. Bretonia has only lost a bunch of ships in this war and has an extremely small surplus, but we have military ships. We're not connected to the government at all." Just kidding. If Liberty hasn't held Bretonia accountable for the countless Universal Shipping, Deep Space Engineering, and Synth Foods ships struck down in Kusari by these men, how will they persecute Kusari over a random Mercenary? Or terrorists they have no control over? Or that crime syndicate they're "Trying hard to abolish."
The truth is: space is big. If your character died and the other guy gets away without exploding, you should not know anything about what just happened. You should not claim a bounty where you exploded and the enemy did not. You should not report pirates which blew you up to the authorities. You should not complain about misuse at the hands of authorities. You exploded. Your ship is gone. Everything on your ship is gone. Your dog is dead. Your wife has left you. Your neighbors are keeping that extension cord. You're done.
And lets say the black box exists...What would it show? An Eagle with Flashpoints killing you? A Sabre with codenames, perhaps? A Black Dragon with Drakes? A Mamoru with a Supernova? Maybe with the most extreme case of the Reavers, a Correo with Gallic Guns (note: this doesn't really exist). Linkable to the Kusari, right? Right.
There are no consequences to hiring Mercenaries except if those Mercenaries decide they are going to tell someone who they are working for. Rule #1 of Fight Club: don't talk about Fight Club.
EDIT: On this note, if you are going to put a trial period, asking for chat logs with time stamps in order to prove they aren't telling everyone who hired them would be a good idea.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Ceoran - 06-30-2011
' Wrote:Dont give me that, who are you to be entitled to ruin my game experience, if i want to trade and make money who are you to say i cant do that, you can do that of course but then it should also affect you, it is only fair.
To be dead-honest: You aren't doing those whose cause you think to support any favour with comments like this. When reading that line of yours, the first I see is a trader that doesn't want his money taken away under any circumstances. However, risking to get your money taking away is an elemental part of being a trader in Discovery. Following your argument, pirates wouldn't have a right to pirate you since they might be ruining your game experience by that.
@Snak3:
I keep getting the feeling that you just happen to see this as another obstacle on your goal of making the IC ultimate powertraders who can trade with everyone in any ship without any consequences. Sorry, but that's the message that comes across from the more emotional part.
However, concerning your support for the GC (since we don't care about hessians): I'm sure we can make an ooRP agreement allowing you to actually RP that part out without us metagaming it under the condition that you give us the same courtesy in return. And by metagaming I would include any retarded attempts to force/lure the other side into revealing themselves.
@Bacon::ylove:We are currently discussing opening a second bounty board with a more public access and wider area but limited target range and potentially higher payouts to avoid any risks while still being able to offer mercenary-work to people like the reavers. But as previously mentioned, discussions are currently going slow due to my own occupation with exams (which will last for another 2.5 weeks).
P.S: I can haz that correo? :rolleyes:
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Cap.Kennedy - 06-30-2011
' Wrote:To be dead-honest: You aren't doing those whose cause you think to support any favour with comments like this. When reading that line of yours, the first I see is a trader that doesn't want his money taken away under any circumstances. However, risking to get your money taking away is an elemental part of being a trader in Discovery. Following your argument, pirates wouldn't have a right to pirate you since they might be ruining your game experience by that.
Isn't Samura suposed to be lawful organization, pirates do pay for their actions, they get chased around all four corners of Sirius, if Samura wants behave as them then fine, then we will deal with them accordingly, but last time i checked Samura used to be lawful firm not pirate. Also i will repeat that i did not lose a single credit, and was not killed even once because of this, so you can forget "angry trader who lost his credits so he is flaming", i am only thinking about who is the right party here.
PS. this is not about taking credits, this is essentialy invitation to all bullyes to come make a FA or Hogosha character, and start pew-pewing innocent traders, and get payed for it.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Evan_ - 06-30-2011
I wonder if people on the moral high-ground realize that this bounty is suspended. For about 2-3 pages time of that thread.
Hope the guys at Samura will open it soon after some cleaning and considering.
EDIT: My suggestion - Limit the bounty by ship-size, it feels bad to shoot a Camara. The rest is cool.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Ceoran - 06-30-2011
Essentially:
' Wrote:Isn't Samura suposed to be lawful organization [...]?
Sirius isn't just black and white. Maybe least of all Kusari, it's pretty much of a grey and grey there. Read up about the faction, it might help you understand.
A few further example of "lawfuls" would be:
- Gallic Royal Police being able to pirate as soon as the Kings men aren't looking
- corporations all over the place engaging into war against each other instead of letting the militaries do it
- the IC relations with the GC and RH as Snak3 already brought up
- Bretonia utilizing terrorism to fight Kusari (QCP as well as support of Mollys while defence)
- GMG supporting the blood dragons
- Bowex shipping supplies to Malta (not active right now though)
' Wrote:PS. this is not about taking credits, this is essentialy invitation to all bullyes to come make a FA or Hogosha character, and start pew-pewing innocent traders, and get payed for it.
And you are welcome to provide an idea on how to avoid abuse other than a "NO U can't do that". For example the possibility of demanding cargo interdiction over plain murder has been brought up and not been discarded yet.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - alphadog - 06-30-2011
' Wrote:And you are welcome to provide an idea on how to avoid abuse other than a "NO U can't do that". For example the possibility of demanding cargo interdiction over plain murder has been brought up and not been discarded yet.Its your responsibility to come up with solutions for that, /before/ you open up such a bounty board. I mean, just look at the current claims. Is that really what you support as an official faction?
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Markus_Janus - 06-30-2011
So you are not going to offer any input except it is our responsibility?
Noted, thankyou for your input.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Cap.Kennedy - 06-30-2011
' Wrote:And you are welcome to provide an idea on how to avoid abuse other than a "NO U can't do that". For example the possibility of demanding cargo interdiction over plain murder has been brought up and not been discarded yet.
In my opinion this should be suspended ASAP, of course except for rewards regarding Bretonia corporations, as they are at war, and about that thing with its history, i see no indication that Samura ever did that kind of enforcement, but even if it did, currently Samura is undergoing a hard time because of expired contract with GMG, and cutting herself all the connections with outside firms could very well drive Samura into bankruptcy, since its two main projects are feeding overgrown Kussari population and building those trade routes, both are dependent on "gajin" firms, what corporation would cut her two main business, contract just for the sake of tradition.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Markus_Janus - 06-30-2011
Thanks, yes the bounty has been suspended already.
Two things though, if you look just a little harder you will see plenty about Samura doing this.
And where did we say we were cutting off all connections with outside corporations?
And we are not doing too badly from the GMG cutting off our deal with H-Fuel, there are plenty more things the GMG do that affect us greater.
I will also say that Samura is involved with a lot more than those two things you mention.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - alphadog - 06-30-2011
' Wrote:So you are not going to offer any input except it is our responsibility?You're just turning stuff around now. Are you saying its up to the community to come up with a solution for the mess you're creating with your bounty board?
Noted, thankyou for your input.
Here's some input. Close the board down and make a careful selection of targets you want Hogosha and AFA to hunt down. Careful selection doesn't mean every single corporation in Sirius, incl Independents and Miners, or companies that Samura profits from.
' Wrote:Thanks, yes the bounty has been suspended already.Better make that a little more clear in the bounty thread, cause the Avengers submitted a lot of claims today.
Two things though, if you look just a little harder you will see plenty about Samura doing this.
And where did we say we were cutting off all connections with outside corporations?