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RE: Is Pennsylvania part of Liberty house space? - Skorak - 06-15-2013
They only update the posts in the rule thread... and the reason for the missing systems is that there are only the official housespace systems in it.
The rules are accurate. Pennsylvania is not a house system rulewise.
RE: Is Pennsylvania part of Liberty house space? - belarusich - 06-15-2013
(06-15-2013, 12:49 PM)Skorak Wrote: They only update the posts in the rule thread... and the reason for the missing systems is that there are only the official housespace systems in it.
The rules are accurate. Pennsylvania is not a house system rulewise.
Quote:Bretonia
Leeds
New London
Dublin
Manchester
Newcastle
Cambridge
New Anglia
New Cambria
Quote:Kusari
New Tokyo
Hokkaido
Honshu
Kyushu
Shikoku
Rishiri
Where is Nagano? Hiroshima?
Quote:Rheinland
New Berlin
Dresden
Hamburg
Frankfurt
Munich
Stuttgart
Koeln
Where is Bremen, Braunschweig, Halle...
Quote:Liberty
New York
Texas
California
Colorado
Alaska
Ontario
Minnesota
Where is Quebec, New Hampshire(not sure if it is Liberty), Ellesmere? Illinois, Virginia, Alberta?
Quote:Gallia
Burgundy
Dauphine
Picardy
Ile-de-France
Auvergne
Orleanais
Lyonnais
Where is Artois, Anjou, Maine? Berry? Languedoc?
So dont tell there are all systems.
RE: Is Pennsylvania part of Liberty house space? - Karst - 06-15-2013
Those systems aren't listed.....because they're not considered house space according to the server rules.
Nagano is considered Kusari space by Kusari law; but you can still dock Zoner 5ks there without violating the server rules.
Yes, it's a little strange that New Cambria and New Anglia are still listed.
But unless you know of a newer list, I would consider what it says in the rules thread to be, y'know....the rules.
Edit: Also, it's obvious that the systems not mentioned were left out intentionally, as most or all of the examples you list were added at the same time as other systems that are listed.
RE: Is Pennsylvania part of Liberty house space? - Potter Harry - 06-15-2013
(06-15-2013, 01:22 PM)belarusich Wrote: Where is Nagano? Hiroshima?
Where is Bremen, Braunschweig, Halle...
Where is Quebec, New Hampshire(not sure if it is Liberty), Ellesmere? Illinois, Virginia, Alberta?
Where is Artois, Anjou, Maine? Berry? Languedoc?
So dont tell there are all systems.
I don't think you understand the difference between a system located inside a specific region, such as Liberty, and a system with the status of "house space".
House space systems are generally core worlds belonging to the government of those regions, where they have a significant enough foothold to consider it a 100% owned system, without the system being contested in terms of ownership by other entities.
Pennsylvania, for example, originally was inhabited by Zoners only. However, Liberty took interest in it at some point and tried populating it with their resources. The Zoners didn't like that and started trying to force Liberty out. At some point they reached a consensus that the system was still under Zoner ownership, with simply Liberty having a slight influence in the system. It basically became a shared system between Zoners and Liberty, thus Liberty doesn't own it, thus it can't even reach the status of House Space in the first place.
RE: Is Pennsylvania part of Liberty house space? - belarusich - 06-15-2013
(06-15-2013, 01:36 PM)Karst Wrote: Those systems aren't listed.....because they're not considered house space according to the server rules.
Nagano is considered Kusari space by Kusari law; but you can still dock Zoner 5ks there without violating the server rules.
Yes, it's a little strange that New Cambria and New Anglia are still listed.
But unless you know of a newer list, I would consider what it says in the rules thread to be, y'know....the rules.
Edit: Also, it's obvious that the systems not mentioned were left out intentionally, as most or all of the examples you list were added at the same time as other systems that are listed.
Nagano is considered Kusari system in infocard. Quebec, Illinois, Virginia too.
RE: Is Pennsylvania part of Liberty house space? - Karst - 06-15-2013
(06-15-2013, 02:01 PM)belarusich Wrote: Nagano is considered Kusari system in infocard. Quebec, Illinois, Virginia too.
That's irrelevant. I think you're confusing INRP house law, with house systems as defined by the server rules.
You can dock a Zoner Whale in any of those systems and you won't get sanctioned - but you might have to face inrp consequences with the respective house authorities.
RE: Is Pennsylvania part of Liberty house space? - Thyrzul - 06-15-2013
(06-15-2013, 02:01 PM)belarusich Wrote: Nagano is considered Kusari system in infocard. Quebec, Illinois, Virginia too.
Only IDs can override server rules. Infocards can't. If a system is not listed under any of the houses as house system in the server rules, rule-wise that system is not considered being a house system. Conclusion: Zoners can dock anywhere with anything inside Pennsylvania and they won't break any of the server rules.
RE: Is Pennsylvania part of Liberty house space? - Echo 7-7 - 06-15-2013
(06-15-2013, 09:26 AM)belarusich Wrote: I said that this post in rules is 3 years old. Try to look and you will see that it doesnt contain some systems which we have now...
Bear in mind that Admin-made edits to forum posts don't actually show up as post edits. That is, the post is not three years old.
Now I was hoping I didn't have to post in this thread, but it appears that having gone over one page, some final clarification is needed.
Pennsylvania is not a House system by Server Rules. Pennsylvania is part of Liberty under Liberty Law. It's pretty simple.
RE: Is Pennsylvania part of Liberty house space? - Agmen of Eladesor - 06-16-2013
Quote:I think you're confusing INRP house law, with house systems as defined by the server rules.
The above quote is correct.
in role-play, Penn is part of Liberty House Space. So if you bring your cap ship that's not of Libertonian origin in there, then the government of Liberty will take offense and probably kill you.
From a rules perspective, no rules are broken.
The inclusion or exclusion of certain systems from house space as far as the rules are concerned was a very long and involved conversation that took the admin team several days to hash out. It wasn't a simple cut and dry decision.
RE: Is Pennsylvania part of Liberty house space? - t0l - 06-16-2013
That being said, have fun getting into Pennsylvania with a Zoner dread.
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