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Rheinland Federal Polizei - Dusty Lens - 11-05-2010
Hey.
On the note of military/police factions and IDs.... They are redundant. There isn't much I can do ID wise to distinguish them that doesn't involve slapping bad news restrictions on one or the either.
Remember the absurd block on navy ships scanning for contraband? It was a joke.
The best I can do, and have done, is lift the restrictions on cops to being bound to "house". For all intents and purposes there is little to distinguish police and navy IDs from one another... Which isn't altogether appreciable.
But so far as tangible hand outs go... Yeh. You're essentially trying to start a military faction in the shadow of a military faction. All you have to go on after that is personality and drive. Which, under the best of circumstances, isn't the strongest carrot in the market.
That being said I'll lead the RFP. Just sign the faction over to my name.
I'll be the only one in it and I wont even make a char, but until we tick someone off and draw the admin(s?) attention it'll exist forever regardless.
Rheinland Federal Polizei - kikatsu - 11-05-2010
It really is a shame to see it go, the RFP was the first and only police faction I had taken part in and I just really regret not being as active as I could have been with it (schoolwork bah). I am sure Dusty can do it justice, perhaps if I have time I will get my RFP character remade and start up patrols again.
I am sure we can do something with the group, I doubt it will be worth scrapping so swiftly. However I do understand and respect the position you are comming from
Rheinland Federal Polizei - Chico - 11-05-2010
I actually like Blodo's idea.
I have seen first hand how well that works but it requires another group to get involved with the same principles.
It would mean say the RFP would go up against the RHA but in light/medium fighters only.
You might consider using Banshee's and Stilettos for example because you'd need to find ships of similar stature.
We currently have a similar arrangement with another group in New London called the Constables. It involves Legionaires and Cavaliers and I garantee there are absolutely no holds barred and we all have a great time. So much so that one such encounter is on our video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANmXQWNb8XM
Sorry for the shameless plug BUT, it happens around the 1min 30 sec and the fight was incredible.
We have stopped trains in these things.
Most Benitez have a Legionaire, as well as the more usual suspects.
I heartily recommend this and advise you talk to Blodo and get something going. I have an idea he might know someone in the RHA. Capture the Fl...transport. Steal the cargo, kill the other team. It's all possible BUT, be aware that sometimes, a pre-scripted result (The RHA get away this time with the transport) still leaves the fight going AND leads on to the next reason...for a bit of RP'd conflict.
Rheinland Federal Polizei - Tomtomrawr - 11-05-2010
' Wrote:Well it is your job as a Faction Leader to set an example of attitude and activity. Dusty once said that a Faction is no better than its faction leader. If the Faction Leader is active, then in most cases the Faction members are as well. If the Faction Leader has an negative attitude, then in most cases the Faction members have as well.There was a time when the RFP had twenty active members. But as time went by activity decreased, members left or disappeared, and I came to a realisation: the police factions are utterly useless. They just, as Dusty has said, are military factions shadowing military factions. So I currently believe that if police factions are going to stay in their current form, they should be removed entirely. The fact that they are in space makes no sense anyway. They should be on planets and stations, not in space. Just a RP group really, that doesn't exist in space.
So my point is this: try leading a faction you believe should not even exist, and should be dissolved, and you soon lose the spirit for it.
' Wrote:Don't pay attention to anyone who says the only proper RP ship for police is a LF. Use LFs, HFs, VHFs and bombers. Heck, RFP even have a SHF available to them. Don't fall into the trap of being forced into smaller and smaller ships for the sake of massaging someone elses sense of RP. Before long you might find yourself flying in nothing bigger then a startracker if you let others have their way.Oh believe me, we didn't. Mjolnirs are what we mostly used, although sometimes I encouraged the use of Phantoms. Which resulted in our untimely deaths.
Quote:Also, Col.Sheppard/Tomtomrawr, listen to what others are saying about leadership. It's up to you to keep a group motivated and alive. To look for things to do and engage in group activities when possible. Sometimes in "dry" periods such activities need to be almost always contrived ahead of time between two faction leader (lord knows I've had to do this through .85). You should know this by now, I've seen you begin many many factions in the 2.5 years I've been here on Disco. Stick it out for the long haul for once, if your always eager to create a faction then try sticking with a faction long enough to realize that the creation period never ends.I agree, but again, I do not believe the police factions should even exist, so it's hard to continue to keep one alive. And I've been in it for the long haul. I took over from Monk with Arkantos when Monk was asking for a new leader God-knows how long ago, left, then returned last January. Ten months was a long haul for me.
' Wrote:<Your idea>I love it. I love it even more then removing the police entirely, although I still do not see the sense of having the police in space. I would fully support that because it puts sense into the shamble which is our current system.
' Wrote:Tom did a great job here, both as a faction leader as well as an active player. So please keep such comments for yourself.Thank you Jansen.
Its sad to see the RFP going, but I know your situation so this is most likely the best decision you could make Tom...
*Whispers: You were always my favourite.:P*
' Wrote:Hey.I agree. Anything that is done will be restricting the military, because they do everything already. Them sitting by while Junkers carrying slaves fly by waving at them isn't exactly good role-play.
On the note of military/police factions and IDs.... They are redundant. There isn't much I can do ID wise to distinguish them that doesn't involve slapping bad news restrictions on one or the either.
Remember the absurd block on navy ships scanning for contraband? It was a joke.
The best I can do, and have done, is lift the restrictions on cops to being bound to "house". For all intents and purposes there is little to distinguish police and navy IDs from one another... Which isn't altogether appreciable.
But so far as tangible hand outs go... Yeh. You're essentially trying to start a military faction in the shadow of a military faction. All you have to go on after that is personality and drive. Which, under the best of circumstances, isn't the strongest carrot in the market.
Quote:That being said I'll lead the RFP. Just sign the faction over to my name.Heh, seems like something you'd do. May as well. In fact, there are a few people who still want to continue with the RFP, so who knows, you may be able to fix it.
I'll be the only one in it and I wont even make a char, but until we tick someone off and draw the admin(s?) attention it'll exist forever regardless.
' Wrote:It really is a shame to see it go, the RFP was the first and only police faction I had taken part in and I just really regret not being as active as I could have been with it (schoolwork bah). I am sure Dusty can do it justice, perhaps if I have time I will get my RFP character remade and start up patrols again.Hey, haven't seen you in a long time. I was hoping you'd answer the roll call I put out in January but you didn't, which was a shame.
I am sure we can do something with the group, I doubt it will be worth scrapping so swiftly. However I do understand and respect the position you are comming from
Rheinland Federal Polizei - Blodo - 11-05-2010
' Wrote:wall'o'textWell, you could make the progression really simple. Once people attain the rank that allows them to become military, they can discard their police char or they can make a new char for their military. It would be up to them, so people who want to maintain one character on a logical path of progression in the faction would be able to.
This way there would be no need for people to switch chars depending on duty.
Rheinland Federal Polizei - Dusty Lens - 11-05-2010
' Wrote:Well, you could make the progression really simple. Once people attain the rank that allows them to become military, they can discard their police char or they can make a new char for their military. It would be up to them, so people who want to maintain one character on a logical path of progression in the faction would be able to.
This way there would be no need for people to switch chars depending on duty.
The problem with that system is two fold.
A) It's forced. Maybe they don't want to play a cop.
B) You drain the police faction of their experienced members to pad the military. I don't see this going over well in the long run. Doubtless many people will "keep" their police chars... Who are redundant to their preferred military characters. Next thing you know you have a "dead faction" chat. With 48239482390482390482390482390 people in the skype channel who aren't involved with the faction and a group with 87 people on the roster and 8 hours online in the last month.
My two bits.
Rheinland Federal Polizei - Sturmwind - 11-05-2010
' Wrote:Well, you could make the progression really simple. Once people attain the rank that allows them to become military, they can discard their police char or they can make a new char for their military. It would be up to them, so people who want to maintain one character on a logical path of progression in the faction would be able to.
This way there would be no need for people to switch chars depending on duty.
As an addition to what Dusty said...
1) Phantom, big bulky useless ship. You easily die in it if you're a rookie, which may be demotivating.
2) As a part of the police, you don't get to see the full ZoI which can again be boring and thus, demotivating.
3) Experienced members often don't do forums (at least in the RM), this way the faction would be less attractive for them since they don't get to jump straight into the action as they do in the RM almost immediately after being accepted. I can agree with doing so though, since the game is about the game itself, not the forums which should serve as an icing.
All that can reflect to our activity and affect it negatively, making us unable to hold two factions together due to the loss of membership.
Oh wait, the same issues apply to a police force in its full might anyway.
What we need is not a merge, not a nerf, more like something that makes our role play different, where we should rely on each other as partners.
I had some crazy ideas in mind, like making VHFs unable to carry CDs, extending military ZoI to apply to the outer regions, giving police ships super scanners and of course, nerfing pirate fighters. It truly is quite a shame in this case how neither of the proposed Bundschuh HFs passed to the final version.
Anyway, I think what Blodo said can definitely be considered, so will I do if this situation proves to be permanent. But as I said, I'd like to give some time for others if they want to give the independent RFP a shot.
Rheinland Federal Polizei - Blodo - 11-05-2010
It's np, just saying system-wise the idea is sound. If Phantom is truly so abysmal, you can start off the police in Wraiths, no need to nerf them to LFs as long as they are actually tagged and IDed as police. Nobody has ever tried it before, and we won't be sure of its success or failure until it's tried. But it's down to the RM and RFP players in the end to consider.
Rheinland Federal Polizei - Malenka - 11-07-2010
Well...It's official.
Tom, let's take RFP battleships and gankbang HMS ships.
Rheinland Federal Polizei - Tomtomrawr - 11-07-2010
' Wrote:Well...It's official.YEAH MAN, LET'S PIIILLLLLAAAAGGGGGEEEEE!!
Tom, let's take RFP battleships and gankbang HMS ships.
*Launches RFP flotilla*