Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Printable Version

Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Printable Version

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Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Chapaev - 04-12-2011

' Wrote:Well, sorry if you are easily offended, but the Brigand's actual shipline fit their needs, no matter how the LE sees it, really. FR2 on that one.

thought that brignads are very well aware what shipline fit their needs.

Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Pinko - 04-12-2011

' Wrote:thought that brignads are very well aware what shipline fit their needs.

As a former Brigand myself, I love our ships. They're awesome, they can just come in, pack that hole into a fleet and go. They're bulky, rough, even primitive, since the Brigands are thugs, not ship builders. They basically just strapped hulls around guns, which just enough agility to evade the larger ships. It's all that they're needed to do anyway.

Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Lunaphase - 04-13-2011

DL, perhaps you should reread some gallic lore. The brigands control about 3/4ths of the black market in gallia. they more than have the resources to make decent ships, and having ships that dont even look to fit their role, models that are using a skin from a nation they supposedly have had no contact with yet, and a few ships that i have to question how in hell, such as the bomber, that it passed the modeling criteria. The damn thing is crooked, and rather obviously so, rather than being symetrical as its design clearly is meant to. Furthermore, it has a dammed bay on the bottom with seams that you can see through the ship.

The gunship is a medium gunship with bottlenose gun arcs and weak armor, despite being imperator sized and very sluggish.

The LF is the size of the HF, and attacts fire like no tommorow.

The entire line, has models that look wedged in for sake of speed, rather than an actual line, and none of the ships are shaped according to their role, they more seem, again, just wedged in a class for ease.

A ship line is just that, a LINE. Even the rogues, who litterally slap engines on stuff, have a common theme. the brigands have NONE such besides for the skin they shouldent even have.

I view this change as a good one, fixing what is broken is not a bad thing to do. Factions half their size, and about 10% their lore wise resourses, are running around with cruisers and battleships.

IE, Red hessians (battleship!), Blood dragons (togo), Rogues/Mollys. (scylla)

Id say asking for a shipline that doesent look like a junkyard got busy with a welding machine is not unreasonable.

Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Divine - 04-13-2011

' Wrote:... -snip- ...

The current Brigand shipline fits absolutly in its role, by the looks, by the stats, by the way they're used. It's a complete shipline, properly done, good balanced and with the right pilots, a deadly force.

There're indeed some minor issues concerning the energy core of the Cuirassier and the quite heavy energy usage of the Arquebus compared to the dealt damage. The Gunship could use some Brigand build weaponry.
And the Unione Corse should get their own copies of the Courier, the le'Ane and the Asco.
But that's about it.

They're altogether not military ships, and for their role, they do astonishingly well.
If you cannot do good in them, it's not the ships, it's you. Period.

And maybe you'll consider aiming for something higher with the +LE+ by maybe getting your very own shipline approved and implemented as to try and force a change on something that does not need to be shaped to your likings just because you happen to represent the official Brigand faction.

Brigand VHF + a paintjob - tansytansey - 04-13-2011

You know, AoM is probably the best ship modeller Discovery has ever had. The Brigand ships he made are just awesome, and I don't see them getting replaced any time soon...

You're not an invite only faction, remember. There are other people in your NPC faction besides you, there were probably people there before you, and there will be people there after you. They are not your ships to demand to be replaced entirely.

' Wrote:A ship line is just that, a LINE. Even the rogues, who litterally slap engines on stuff, have a common theme. the brigands have NONE such besides for the skin they shouldent even have.

Wow, are you even looking at the Brigand ships when you say that? They have more in common than the Rogue ship line :/

' Wrote:I view this change as a good one, fixing what is broken is not a bad thing to do. Factions half their size, and about 10% their lore wise resourses, are running around with cruisers and battleships.

IE, Red hessians (battleship!), Blood dragons (togo), Rogues/Mollys. (scylla)

Then you're the one seriously misinformed on faction lore, and should do a little reading. The Red Hessians are the third largest unlawful organisation in Sirius, behind the Corsairs and Outcasts. The Blood Dragons don't build ships, the ones they have are decades old passed down from the generations, and the Liberty Rogues are the largest criminal organisation in Liberty, and probably close to the 4th or 5th largest in Sirius.

Furthermore;

Quote:BGB2008 "Asco" Brigand Gunboat

Built heavily upon the technologies and materials salvaged from the flotsam left in the wake of the great war, these capable vessels provide the vanguard of the Brigand raiding and defensive fleets.

I guess the Brigands did get busy with a junkfield afterall. Trololol etc. etc. etc.

Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Hades - 04-13-2011

I mean no offense to Angel of Mercy but, those Brigand ships you posted look absolutely terrible. Simple, boring shapes which are far to reminiscent of WWII aircraft, poor modeling, awful smoothing which makes them look bubbly, and a severe lack of detail which not even the shoddily applied textures can change. I would personally love to see remade ships.

Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Turkish - 04-13-2011

I'm actually in agreement with hades over AoM's choice of style and what was produced. However I do not feel that they should be remodelled as per the wants and wishes of a single faction or group here.

Faction ships like these which are dedicated to NPC factions aren't the sole property of the players of DiscoGC, nor are they the sole property of official and unofficial factions. This kind of change runs along a course which impacts multitudes of players in the long term picture. Rather than approaching this as a complete redesign I think perhaps pitching a set of reworked models would be a better course to getting your voices heard.

If you dislike the designs as they are now try coming back with what you feel are higher quality renditions of the NPC designs, new textures, higher quality work, etc. Adding your "flavour" right now is a bit premature and sudden as I see it.

Brigand VHF + a paintjob - tansytansey - 04-13-2011

' Wrote:I mean no offense to Angel of Mercy but, those Brigand ships you posted look absolutely terrible. Simple, boring shapes which are far to reminiscent of WWII aircraft, poor modeling, awful smoothing which makes them look bubbly, and a severe lack of detail which not even the shoddily applied textures can change. I would personally love to see remade ships.

Firstly; they are supposed to be reminiscent of WWII aircraft, that's their design.

Secondly; the smoothing is a result of the program used to render, they don't display with smoothing in-game. That's basic knowledge.

The models have around the same level of detail as your average Vanilla ship.

And considering you couldn't even texture your own ship, how can you have an opinion on "shoddily" applied textures?
It sounds more like someone's just looking to line their pockets again.

Many ships in Freelancer follow the saying "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." So just because you think the ships are ugly, doesn't mean there aren't people who love them. The ships don't belong to you, they belong to the community.

Put your resources into replacing import ships, before replacing perfectly fine original ships.

Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Turkish - 04-13-2011

' Wrote:And considering you couldn't even texture your own ship, how can you have an opinion on "shoddily" applied textures?

Bull**** argument Ashes, ability to perform doesn't render your right to an opinion invalid. Smoothing groups are also calculated along UVW seems in FL a I recall.

Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Shagohad - 04-13-2011

Ummm...From what it sounds like, you want something like these?

[Image: Sfmara-old.jpg]

I honestly can't find anything 'human' with the descriptions you set. To be honest, your entire scheme is just too bizarre for a place like Gallia. Or Sirius.