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Behind Enemy Lines I: Rescue the stranded HMS-Argosax from the GRN - Aingar - 01-31-2012
To be honest I don't buy any of this "13th Fleet reports directly to the bretonian government and not to the BAF", and even if you're stubborn enough to ignore common sense, the government would never approve such a mission, they pretty much agree with what BAF Admirals says.
So if something like that happens, the raiding party would have to consist of snubs only, and given that we'd need to board an entire battleship- not possible at all.
Think of something different though, we could use a BAF/GRN event.
PS: Just to clarify, when someone here says that BAF wouldn't authorize rescue mission, they mean BAF as Bretonia Armed Forces NPC faction, not "BAF|".
PPS: An idea: Molly/BAF attempting to destroy GRN heavy recon squadron at Dublin.
Behind Enemy Lines I: Rescue the stranded HMS-Argosax from the GRN - Omicron - 01-31-2012
Generic free for all between Corsairs, Mollys, BAF, GRN, Nomads and Order in Dublin would be fine enough and without complications. More factions bigger mess & krieg.
Behind Enemy Lines I: Rescue the stranded HMS-Argosax from the GRN - Pinko - 01-31-2012
' Wrote:To be honest, BAF HC would probably throw you to the wolves. Lose one reckless battleship and its commander, or lose most of a battlegroup trying to save it from a situation it caused for itself?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mogadishu_(1993)
Behind Enemy Lines I: Rescue the stranded HMS-Argosax from the GRN - Switchback - 01-31-2012
I find it funny you say "I have personally taken down 5 GRN Valors in my Dunkirk all by myself"
Yea, and me + another GRN Cruiser (GRN|RNS-Austerlitz and the GRN|RNS-Aericura) took you down while dealing with a pair of bombers.
and uh, seriously? "Experimental warship" is all you come up with? Seems everyone flies experimental warships now.
Behind Enemy Lines I: Rescue the stranded HMS-Argosax from the GRN - Black Widow - 01-31-2012
' Wrote:I find it funny you say "I have personally taken down 5 GRN Valors in my Dunkirk all by myself"
I have screens I can show you those
Yea, and me + another GRN Cruiser (GRN|RNS-Austerlitz and the GRN|RNS-Aericura) took you down while dealing with a pair of bombers.
Dont worry I have got a new toy for you GRN Cruisers to play with
and uh, seriously? "Experimental warship" is all you come up with? Seems everyone flies experimental warships now.
Behind Enemy Lines I: Rescue the stranded HMS-Argosax from the GRN - jammi - 01-31-2012
' Wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mogadishu_(1993)Well, good for the US Army. I'm not really sure what your point is. :mellow:
(Plus there's a massive difference between a state condoned operation and General Garrison running off to attack Mogadishu without support or authorisation from the government/military chain of command).
Behind Enemy Lines I: Rescue the stranded HMS-Argosax from the GRN - Black Widow - 01-31-2012
Well Dab, Im waiting for response to this?
Behind Enemy Lines I: Rescue the stranded HMS-Argosax from the GRN - Aingar - 01-31-2012
I doubt Dab is going to reply at all, but I'll tell you one thing, since you like WW2 references, this event is as logical as a single Sherman rolling through the german-occupied france in 1940, successfully... doing anything worth more than it's value, while expecting to be rescued. Bah, make that 10 Shermans, you will just increase the losses. Seriously, no offense but if you managed to kill 5 valors, i'd say it's because that they were bad/new at BS combat, they would propably win just by doing what they would do iRP: cruise next to your ship and bombard with primaries at close range. For the record, I never flown any gunboat or above.
The whole problem with this event is wrong kind of ship at wrong location, that is Bretonia Capital ship further than T31/Edinburgh. Yeah, ooRP you can get it, iRP you would get shredded, and any raid on T31 would be in true guerila style to avoid being overwhelmed by... overwhelming gallic forces, unfortunately that can not be properly shown with current playerbases of both GRN and BAF players.
Behind Enemy Lines I: Rescue the stranded HMS-Argosax from the GRN - Dab - 02-01-2012
I'll respond. I was gone for a few days.
In short; The entire premise of this event is a crock. You're trying to say a GRN military leader would travel in a contested war zone (Orkney) in a Luxury Liner. There is problem #1. It wouldn't happen. No GRN use a Liner to travel. If they are important to the war effort in any possible way, they'd travel in a military ship. Even civilians important to the war effort would receive transport provided by the military that would include far stronger defense than a liner.
Problem #2; Your assumption that the "frogs" would hand over this VIP because you shot at their liner and scared them. Well first, most GRN officers are fanatically loyal due to the 6 centuries of propaganda the crown has used to turn the King into a godly figure. Gallia defines "Divine Right" in every sense of the concept. Second, a Liner is faster than a battleship. Third, if a Liner were carrying a VIP, it'd have an escort, which would stop the battleship and distract it, letting the Liner escape with relative ease to one of the two stations in Orkney that the GRN controls.
Problem #3; You see yourself separate from the BAF. You're not.
Problem #4; You were devised and are controlled by some "shadow elements" in the government. You're forgetting that the BAF is a heavy political and governmental force in Bretonia, and that the Bretonian Intelligence Service is also directly under the control of the military. Furthermore, here in Disco we actually do have a player run government. Jammi, the one who plays the Prime Minister, certainly hasn't devised or commissioned the 13th fleet. And please don't try to come back and claim you have the Queen's backing. Because you don't. The War Cabinet, that being the leadership of the official factions in Bretonia, own the Queen character. Lastly, it doesn't matter if some "shadow elements" devised the idea of the 13th. They wouldn't be able to implement it. They have no military power. Every military decision must have the acceptance of the Fleet Admiral or Minister of Defense. And that is myself and Dieter. Think about the resources a fleet needs. You can't "hide" an active fleet. It has to be given battleships, cruisers, etc. Has to be supplied regularly, etc. All that requires approval by military personnel. Involvement of military personnel. And this concept of a behind-enemy-lines battleship fleet would never be approved.
Problem #5; First you said you have killed 5 Valors with your Dunkirk. Then you claimed 8. Well in the first two days of the GRN blitz into Leeds, I've seen you kill no GRN period, let alone Valors, meanwhile I saw you get killed 3 times. I haven't heard of that pattern changing in the last week.
Problem #6; Jumpdrives haven't been fully developed yet. The BAF don't have access to them, they are still safely tucked away in Kishiro's vault. I might understand calling jumpdrives to justify some of your lore, were jumpdrives available yet. Alas, they are not.
Problem #7; Troops do need support, yes. Unfortunately for this idea, the troops on the front line operate directly under the commands of the Grande Marechal, the leader of the GRN. That Grande Marechal operates on the front lines with the fleet, as is proper for a military leader to do in Gallia's feudal-monarchy-style culture. Add on the fact that two of the King's children, Aurelia DeFrance (the Grande Marechal) and Joseph DeFrance (the king's only son) also operate on the front lines, also in keeping with Gallia's feudal-monarchy-style culture. That's quite a bit of morale support and shows that the King is devoting all of his resources to this campaign. Then add in the rapid victories in the Taus and Edinburgh and you've got a lot of morale boosting going on. Sure, there would be people sent to the front lines. Some for military reasons, others for morale reasons, and then civilian reasons. But no one important to the war effort would be travelling there in a lone liner. The notion is silly.
Problem #8; World War II wasn't won by Britain going all out against Germany. World War II was won by Britain hunkering down on their islands after the defeat of France and fending off Germany's air attacks on the Isles until Germany invaded Russia and started getting pushed back.
Britain did not win the war alone, by sending troops behind enemy lines. We use spies for that, not battleships.
This event is nonsensical no matter which direction you're looking at it from.
Behind Enemy Lines I: Rescue the stranded HMS-Argosax from the GRN - Govedo13 - 02-02-2012
If you spent half of the time writting non-sense playing the game you would not need events and stuff to have fun and pew pew..:lol: