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RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Harley.Quinn - 02-07-2013
(02-06-2013, 07:07 PM)Veygaar Wrote: Liberty GB, Liberty Rogue GB, Bottlenose, Kusari GB, Bretonian GB, Imperator.
These can all easily beat the Asco, all but the last two are just as hard (some harder) to hit with anything.
The hitbox is fine, fixed a long time ago, it's agility is VERY low for it's class.
The Asco is average, the majority of it's pilots are above average in skill is all.
(02-06-2013, 06:28 PM)Mimmey Wrote: Only Asco can face the Asco or the Bnose.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
...so wrong.
Tell you what I'll make a list of the best GBs in order, according to what they're fighting aight, we'll keep it to top 8.
Best GBs to fight other GBs:
Bottlenose, Kusari GB, Bretonian GB, Imperator, Liberty GB, LR GB, Asco/Tridente
Best GBs to fight fighters (excluding bombers):
Bottlenose, Kusari GB, Gaian GB, Asco, Liberty GB, LR GB, CR GB, Tridente
Best GBs to fight all snubs (boomers n' fighters):
Bottlenose, Kusari GB, Gaian GB, Liberty GB, Asco, CR GB, LR GB, Tridente
There you go, a "list" of the best GBs out there (although all GBs are in close contention except the Bottlenose and Kusari GB). As you can see the Asco doesn't even hit the top 3 of any of the lists. It's a good anti snub platform, but it's not incredible.
And the Hitbox is not bugged lol. Every GB can hit it. I've had it happen many many times
Vaygaar,why should I trust that list while I can see that with my own eyes in the Game? I'll tell you the same,bring me any other GB (except Lib GB and Asco) and lets see if there're something wrong with Asco.
I don't need that list, I've experienced that many many times myself too. Tridente used to be too much OP,now it's okay.But the Asco and Lib. GB are now the biggest problems in that OP.
RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Veygaar - 02-07-2013
What you see with your own eye's is about 90% of all Asco pilots being GB aces. Whether it's myself, Tutashkha, RedB, Morb, Moritz, Yber, justX, Charos, Savi, Arrogant Mind, Revan, or Exterm, these pilots make up the MAJORITY of fellas who fly this ship. EG: Alot of GB aces and not alot of noobs fly it. Why? Probably because it's not an aasy to get ship for new fellas to the game.
I'm more than happy to prove many ships can beat the Asco. I'll get my Imperator, but then again you may say "it's just cause your good in GB" so I'll bring my friend Exterm. Catch me on skype and we'll make a video love
(calebalevesque)The Asco's hitbox is fine Ursus, test one sitting still, it's thinnest parts are just as thin as a Tridente, and their center mass is allocated in a spot that makes it easy to aim at. Only thing that have a "harder" time hitting it are snubs, just as LR GB, Liberty GB, Kusari GB, Bottlenose, Gaian GB, and Tridente.
RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Ursus - 02-07-2013
You know how turret spray comes together at a focus point, but if you are closer than that point the spray will make multiple contact points on the target. Do that to Asco and half the spray goes through the holes in the model. I see it everytime I fight them. It also happens with Tridente but at least it has weaknesses that are easy to exploit.
The thing that makes it bad is that you have very limited control over it due to the auto-aim mechanics. If the mouse touches the reticle, your weapons fire misses the target. You have to aim away from the reticle to make contact, or keep it in a flanking position, which is damn hard to do.
Nothing "fine" about it, holes in ship models are incompatible with the game mechanics
RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Veygaar - 02-07-2013
Your assertions are laughable... and incorrect.
RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Ursus - 02-07-2013
(02-07-2013, 09:46 AM)Veygaar Wrote: You're assertions are laughable... and incorrect.
your counter-argument is par with your spelling
RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Veygaar - 02-07-2013
Prove a bug via video and pics. I can prove there is no bug via the same methods. Once Mimmy wakes up tomorrow
Ursus, you, like many others complaining here, just don't know how to fly a Gunboat well. I've seen you fly with my own eye's. In fact I watched your Bottlenose get solo'd by a Bomber. Your opinion on this whole subject is that of an under-skilled pilot encountering skilled pilots. Nothing more.
The Asco is good, but it's not OP, not even top 3.
RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Jansen - 02-07-2013
(02-07-2013, 09:46 AM)Veygaar Wrote: You're assertions are laughable... and incorrect.Keep enlightening us with your wisdom.
(02-06-2013, 06:00 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Jinx:
6 guns front, 6 guns back. These are the 2 main arcs for fighting in GBs. 5 to the sides, as the "weak" arcs. The Gb is overpowered when it comes to arcs. All of them are good. Two are top. You can flee (fire backwards) with max damage output, you can attack/chase with max output. Most other GBs need to cover a weak arc, or have to focus on either flying aggressively (6 forward, like my IMG one) or defensives (6 backwards, like Bnose). Asco can have both.
In addition you get a free shield torpedo that even on a 75 % core Asco can be fired every few seconds and makes a big difference in GB-GB fights.
And in contrast to other OP GBs (Bnose, CAU4), it can mount CAU8.
The shape of the Asco is great for pvp. It can dodge well while most pancake-shaped Gbs cannot.
Arcs and shape, torpedo, armor upgrade... that's what makes the Asco so damn good.
I remember that frustration with the holes from fighting the old Tridente, the Asco isnt much different from that, if Im not completely wrong its even a bit smaller then the Tridente.
But anyways its not only the Asco thats having some issues, the general balance of GBs should be reworked since turret steering really changed GB fighting a lot, when was the last time that you saw a P/R GB? Apart from the ones I use because I like that loadout I havent seen any. So Im afraid that nerfing weapons or agility isnt really a solution.
RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Veygaar - 02-07-2013
Weapon nerfs are already incoming. Tridente is also considerably smaller than Asco.
Also Jack Henderson's post on the archs is incorrect. 4 to sides, 6 front and back. 2 down/front, 4 down/back, 4 up. Same exact archs as Tridente and similar balance on other GBs, take the CR GB (-1 to rear +1 sides).
RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Jansen - 02-07-2013
(02-07-2013, 10:02 AM)Veygaar Wrote: Also Jack Henderson's post on the archs is incorrect. 4 to sides, 6 front and back. 2 down/front, 4 down/back, 4 up. Same exact archs as Tridente and similar balance on other GBs, take the CR GB (-1 to rear +1 sides).
And even that is incredibly good compared to other gunboats, that are bigger and slower.
I dont think that a weapon nerf is going to fix the problem with gunboats in any way, its just making fights longer.
RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Veygaar - 02-07-2013
(02-07-2013, 10:07 AM)Jansen Wrote: And even that is incredibly good compared to other gunboats, that are bigger and slower.
Lilke the Imperator? 8 front, 6 up, 6 sides, 5 down, 6 rear?
Like the Hathor? 8 front, 5 up, 5 down, 6 sides and rear?
Like the Bret GB? 7 front? 6 rear? 5 sides?
Like Rheinland GB with it's 5 up/down, 6 front/back and 135k hull that makes a CAU4 GB have more armor than a CAU8 Asco?
Or perhaps you mean the Kusari Explorer? With it's 7 front, 7 sides, 6 rear, 4 up/down? Oh wait never mind.
I'm sorry I'm just trying to figure out what bigger Gunboats you're talking about?