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I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - mwerte - 06-30-2011
' Wrote:In fact that's what Samura did for centuries. All foreign trade vessels had to stop at either Tsushima, Deshima or Osaka and drop their cargo to be carried on by Samura and Kishiro.The current bounty doesn't even allow people to do that. Not like that's a reality because of ingame mechanics anyway.
Can any of the Samura leadership give me screenshots of bar rumors about Samura bountying non Kusari ships? I thought Samura's shady side came from using their political muscle to get extra tariffs levied on foreign shipping, making them drop cargo off at Osaka/Tsushima, and stuff like that, not straight up killing people.
I wouldn't put it past Samura to get the Hogosha/Farmers to take out a single problematic person, but corporations worth of people? Not likely.
' Wrote:But you do see aggressive take overs, but that is not the exact same thing as you have mentioned same as what you mentioned was not the exact same thing, but that is ok.I also doubt people die, even in the most hostile of hostile corporate takeovers.
' Wrote:As for sparing RepEx, I've always seen you guys as the main competition in Rheinland since you are into shipping yourself instead actually producing goods we might buy from you.I'm requesting clarification on this point. We're competition because we take the goods you produce to other places where they sell better? Very confusing.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Ceoran - 06-30-2011
' Wrote:The current bounty doesn't even allow people to do that. Not like that's a reality because of ingame mechanics anyway.
if the current prices would allow this to happen, we could easily exclude the relevant lanes. Since they don't I'm admittedly to lazy to go that much into details. Especially since it would only result in further paperwork for the claims since they would need to proof the exact position of the encounter and not just the system.
' Wrote:Can any of the Samura leadership give me screenshots of bar rumors about Samura bountying non Kusari ships? I thought Samura's shady side came from using their political muscle to get extra tariffs levied on foreign shipping, making them drop cargo off at Osaka/Tsushima, and stuff like that, not straight up killing people.
I wouldn't put it past Samura to get the Hogosha/Farmers to take out a single problematic person, but corporations worth of people? Not likely.
We won't find anything that exactly states bounties. All you will find is that the Hogosha and Farmers are doing the dirty work for Samura against the competition. It's a pretty wide web of rumours including all involved factions. I'll see if I got the time to look up a few. Knowing the rumours and knowing who stated them are two different things though.
Also, I'd like to point out again that the purpose of that bounty is not to literally kill the competition, but have the Farmers and Hogosha cutting into their profits. The cargo usually should end up in Kusari storages by the hands of the Farmers and Hogosha anyways.
' Wrote:I'm requesting clarification on this point. We're competition because we take the goods you produce to other places where they sell better? Very confusing.
Unlike the other houses Kusari has no seperate corporation dedicated to shipping, instead Samura fills the major part (if not all) of that position. Hence you are competing with us in the shipping sector.
Mind that Samura is very traditional and prefers having a monopoly over possibly economical more efficient outsourcing.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Cap.Kennedy - 06-30-2011
' Wrote:Unlike the other houses Kusari has no seperate corporation dedicated to shipping, instead Samura fills the major part (if not all) of that position. Hence you are competing with us in the shipping sector.Maybe, but to export your goods you got to have someone to export to, which aynt happening if you make enemyes of the rest of sirius.
Mind that Samura is very traditional and prefers having a monopoly over possibly economical more efficient outsourcing.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - mwerte - 06-30-2011
' Wrote:Also, I'd like to point out again that the purpose of that bounty is not to literally kill the competition, but have the Farmers and Hogosha cutting into their profits.Exploding ships tend to kill people that are aboard, either naval ships in water or space ships in space.
Unlike the other houses Kusari has no seperate corporation dedicated to shipping, instead Samura fills the major part (if not all) of that position. Hence you are competing with us in the shipping sector.
Mind that Samura is very traditional and prefers having a monopoly over possibly economical more efficient outsourcing.
Gateway is almost exclusively shipping, as is universal. Republican, despite having shipping in its name, does a lot of ship construction and ore refinement in addition to shipping.
I also wasn't aware that Samura's primary business was shipping, I thought they created high tech items, built machinery, and made traditional food.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Ceoran - 06-30-2011
' Wrote:Maybe, but to export your goods you got to have someone to export to, which aynt happening if you make enemyes of the rest of sirius.
this has already been answered by Baconsoda I believe.
' Wrote:Exploding ships tend to kill people that are aboard, either naval ships in water or space ships in space.
Gateway is almost exclusively shipping, as is universal. Republican, despite having shipping in its name, does a lot of ship construction and ore refinement in addition to shipping.
I also wasn't aware that Samura's primary business was shipping, I thought they created high tech items, built machinery, and made traditional food.
I haven't seen any Republican station selling anything but low-profit cargo such as toxic waste or consumer goods, hence I never assumed they'd be producing anything. I know about Alster being a RS station, but that's nothing Samura would be interested in. I'm admittedly not very familiar with most Rheinland infocards. It has been a while since I've read any of them and then usually only those that were relevant for any of our trade runs.
As for Samuras primary business, it's hard to tell what's the primary part. However, keiretsu are often in control of every single step over the whole production process, why not distribution of the actual product too? I myself would assume that all part are equally important and as such there is no real primary business for a keiretsu.
wikipedia link on keiretsu
As for looking up the rumours as you asked before: well, Farmers and Hogosha both offer rumours stating how they are paid by Samura, which noone contested.
Two Farmers on Kagoshima furthermore state that they are sometimes attacking Kishiro shipments. Another Farmer on Kabukicho states that he's puzzled hearing rumours about farmers attacking kishiro, which implies said Farmer isn't attacking them. Yet the same farmer states clearly that not all the targets he's hitting are Synth Foods convoys, implying there's at least a 3rd targeted party.
However, neither of those rumours clearly states whether they are widely targeting them or just on few incidents.
What can be found is that the Farmers have very accurate information on the movements of their prey. Since we can't really give the Farmers a hint each time a gaijin enters Kusari, a bounty is probably as closest to a solution we can get.
edit: almost forgot: I'm not through with the rumours yet, but it's very tiring and it's past midnight, so I'll give it for now and live with what I found so far.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - SnakThree - 07-01-2011
' Wrote:I haven't seen any Republican station selling anything but low-profit cargo such as toxic waste or consumer goods, hence I never assumed they'd be producing anything.Are you comparing and contradicting game economy (created by players) and lore (established)? That is if Republican manufactures something.
That completly contradicts your claims on performing your lore (established) by bounties (made by players).
That would be double standards, guys.
As example, a little different case but relating to this: Jump Gate and Trade Lane Parts are sold on Bonn station yet only Pueblo Station is known as manufacturing instalation.
Then we have Furyoku Station, which by lore is depot for HFuel, yet is isn't sold there.
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Also, you can't go by rumours only as in that case they could be used as evidence. As you are practically confirming them by doing as those might suggest. But currently more.
Also, to lessen PvP I'd advice a requirement of demanding to turn back trade ship without harm instead of demanding cargo or credits.
That leaves less bad taste for trader (who understands a bit of RP at least ) and you still get your lore done - eliminating competition by removing them from Kusari.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Zelot - 07-01-2011
' Wrote:Also, to lessen PvP I'd advice a requirement of demanding to turn back trade ship without harm instead of demanding cargo or credits.
I can guarantee you that if an AFA catches you, you wont be leaving Kusari with your cargo, bounty or no.
I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - SnakThree - 07-01-2011
' Wrote:I can guarantee you that if an AFA catches you, you wont be leaving Kusari with your cargo, bounty or no.3rd time you post it. I think it's enough, dude. If you aren't involved you don't need to post at all.
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I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - Primitive - 07-01-2011
' Wrote:3rd time you post it. I think it's enough, dude. If you aren't involved you don't need to post at all.
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I think he does.
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I know there is some bad feelings about blanket bounties. - SnakThree - 07-01-2011
' Wrote:I think he does.Kudos. Also, you can't join IND. You must be special (not only in a positive meaning) to be invited into restrict-less and lore-less faction.
<div align="right]Join IND, you won't get AFA'd.