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Brigand VHF + a paintjob - tansytansey - 04-13-2011
' Wrote:Bull**** argument Ashes, ability to perform doesn't render your right to an opinion invalid. Smoothing groups are also calculated along UVW seems in FL a I recall.His argument hardly warrants a proper response any way. If he bothered to put some research into his claims then maybe I'd put effort into countering them. Hell, AoM's Brigand models are textured better than his Hessian Battleship. (No offense to Tycho, he did a good job with what he had.)
His opinion is hardly informed.
Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Mao - 04-13-2011
Why don't you guys let some modelers make something for the brigands and cut the crap like "you don't need new shipz, lol"
Also, if there are people that actually like the current shipline (even if they're only a few), make them generic pirate for gauls or give them to EFL (biased:P). With the models I've seen lately from our artists, I'm sure they can make better models than those ones.
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea for those ships to look like WWII aircrafts but they are waaaay to similar :| They need more sci-fi and less earth history, if you get what I mean. The only one that I will miss if they're changed is the Asco.
Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Shagohad - 04-13-2011
' Wrote:Why don't you guys let some modelers make something for the brigands and cut the crap like "you don't need new shipz, lol"
Also, if there are people that actually like the current shipline (even if they're only a few), make them generic pirate for gauls or give them to EFL (biased:P). With the models I've seen lately from our artists, I'm sure they can make better models than those ones.
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea for those ships to look like WWII aircrafts but they are waaaay to similar :| They need more sci-fi and less earth history, if you get what I mean. The only one that I will miss if they're changed is the Asco.
But you really don't need new ships. The current ones function well enough for what they are, and the Brigands are not what you seem to have written out for them. They aren't fearsome freedom fighters who wish to instill terror and fear. They're brutish Frenchmen who steal money and sell illegal goods. Like the Rogues. Only French.
Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Mao - 04-13-2011
' Wrote:But you really don't need new ships. The current ones function well enough for what they are, and the Brigands are not what you seem to have written out for them. They aren't fearsome freedom fighters who wish to instill terror and fear. They're brutish Frenchmen who steal money and sell illegal goods. Like the Rogues. Only French.Sure I need new ships. Can I haz a Meow shipline composed from Gunship, Normal Gunboat, Heavy Gunboat, Light Cruiser, Heavy Cruiser, Destroyer, Frigate, Light carrier, carrier, heavy carrier, superheavy carrier, light battleship, heavy battleship, dreadnought MK1 and dreadnought MK 2. In conclusion: I am not LE and I don't represent them. I only speak for myself.
On topic: Maybe the brigands are just common thieves -BUT- after years of hits, they can afford and they want to get more advanced ships. "Well enough" is not enough for the brigands that are some kind of crime lords (you won't see drug dealers driving some old piece of junk. they drive nice cool cars with spinners:P) Don't forget that the Council was helped by the brigands in the war and they might have gave them tech. So, the brigands mixed their junk tech, with outdated council tech and maybe they also came up with something fancy. The result should be more than WWII planes. Not to mention that they could also build a limited number of cruiser/destroyers, maybe? (this is to get to your comparison with the rogues).
Also... who wants to buy a fully equipped and repped Jaguar, the auction starts at 10 mils:P
Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Shagohad - 04-13-2011
The royal you, jumpy. Don't spaz out on me because of possessive infinitives.
And who's to say their current ships aren't advanced? Any person who uses a heavy fighter to take on ships that far outclass their own and then end up winning has a name in my book.
Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Hades - 04-13-2011
' Wrote:And considering you couldn't even texture your own ship, how can you have an opinion on "shoddily" applied textures?I'd like to know where you got that information from, I certainly never said I was unable to tile map a ship, which I most certainly am. I allowed Justin to do it for the RH BS as I was lazy and didn't care too much about the money offered, which certainly isn't my initiate to make a ship or to make it well, considering I didn't offer to do this entire line redesign myself, and Tycho approached me to texture the RH BS, not the other way around. Trust me, you don't want to get into this little dick-waving contest of 'You can't do better' or 'who can do what' because I assure you, you will lose.
It sounds more like someone's just looking to line their pockets again.
Quote:His argument hardly warrants a proper response any way. If he bothered to put some research into his claims then maybe I'd put effort into countering them. Hell, AoM's Brigand models are textured better than his Hessian Battleship. (No offense to Tycho, he did a good job with what he had.)You provided pictures to supposedly help your point, and I commented on the pictures themselves and what, in my opinion, is what makes them ugly. I'm not going to spend valuable time in-game finding these craft just to please your silly 'research' quota. I also believe Tycho did a far better job on the battleship than AoM did on the Brigands, but see, here it all comes down to opinion.
His opinion is hardly informed.
Quote:The models have around the same level of detail as your average Vanilla ship.That does not mean that AoM's Brigand ships are lacking detail or that the lack of detail is a good thing, comparing these newer models to some made way back when is silly, as, of course, the old models are going to lack detail.
Quote:Many ships in Freelancer follow the saying "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." So just because you think the ships are ugly, doesn't mean there aren't people who love them. The ships don't belong to you, they belong to the community.And I can say this exact same thing for my battleship, which has only ever received rejection from you, and I, also, never claimed any ships as mine. So that's a bit of a strawman right there.
Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Ryummel - 04-13-2011
' Wrote:IE, Red hessians (battleship!), Blood dragons (togo), Rogues/Mollys. (scylla)... and Zoners.
Brigand VHF + a paintjob - sable - 04-13-2011
Guys, the models themselves and separately look good. But they do not suit as a ship LINE.
Honestly, where is the similarity between the LF and the HF and the bomber, for example? The only thing they got in common is their paint.
Take a look at any other shipline in the game: The Rogues, or the Outcasts, or corsairs, or GRN and so on....they all have ships that show similarities. Similarity is the criteria for a ship LINE, which is not included in the Brigands' ships, no matter how you put or portray it.
And no, we don't want some damn "super alien ships" from any other game or film or anything..
The description is enough to make them look human and FL-like, I am sure that any decent modeller can achieve this.
The Brigands are very well capable of having ships that don't look like scrap, considering they own 3/4 of the whole gallic black market. And Gallia is considerably bigger than any of the four houses. I am not saying that the current models look like scrap, I am just saying that Brigands can afford more advanced ships. I am not saying that they can have the most advanced ships either, but more advanced than "scrap ships".
Brigands are not "Gallic Rogues". Look up the definition of "brigand" and "rogue".
You can of course roleplay similar to the Rogues, if you want, BUT Brigands are not just "gallic rogues". They will not be simple copies, simply because it would be boring and not original. Just because they are both unlawful groups who pirate and smuggle does not mean they are similar, not at all. I hardly see any similarities, tbh.
Oh, and I forgot to add. We are also looking for a VHF, that should fit in the new shipline.
Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Pinko - 04-13-2011
But the description of their ships -is- that they're made out of scrap. Igiss certainly had a reasoning behind it, didn't he? I'd say wait at least until .86 so we can see all the rumors and all.
Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Mao - 04-13-2011
' Wrote:The royal you, jumpy. Don't spaz out on me because of possessive infinitives.OK, please accept my sincere apologies for spazzing out on ya. I can even give you the name for that person you described there. It's called PvPwhore:lol:Last time I checked LE they didn't had that kind of people in their structure, except maybe Seby but he is rusty now. Anyway, I have nothing else to add on this subject. Hagve fun modeling/picking models.
And who's to say their current ships aren't advanced? Any person who uses a heavy fighter to take on ships that far outclass their own and then end up winning has a name in my book.