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RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Jansen - 02-07-2013
The KuExp, the Nammu, the Scorpion. Im not sure about the IMG GB, but I think that wasnt really awesome either, the Hessian GB is lighter and had some really bad arcs as well, not sure how they changed in .86 though.
RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Veygaar - 02-07-2013
Nammu and Scorpion both suck. Everyone knows that. They are not the norm, the Asco is a great example of the "Norm."
The IMG GB is a damn beast, CAU4 has the same armor as CAU8 Asco. And it has higher agility, and better side archs.
RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Mercarryn - 02-07-2013
(02-07-2013, 10:09 AM)Veygaar Wrote: Lilke the Imperator? 8 front, 6 up, 6 sides, 5 down, 6 rear?
Like the Hathor? 8 front, 5 up, 5 down, 6 sides and rear?
Like the Bret GB? 7 front? 6 rear? 5 sides?
Like Rheinland GB with it's 5 up/down, 6 front/back and 135k hull that makes a CAU4 GB have more armor than a CAU8 Asco?
Or perhaps you mean the Kusari Explorer? With it's 7 front, 7 sides, 6 rear, 4 up/down? Oh wait never mind.
I'm sorry I'm just trying to figure out what bigger Gunboats you're talking about?
Seems like you are still referring to the old hathor stats as it seems. The current one has 8 front, 5 up/down, 5 sides (although directly to the sides you only have 4) and 5 to the rear. And now throw in its rather big size and lower agility and I predict the Hathor to loose against an Asco. Just to correct things on this side.
RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Veygaar - 02-07-2013
6 Rear love (90% sure, just sold my Hathor though). That coupled with the fact that it is the most agile of the Heavy class GBs, and coupled with it's high armor and BB count average it out.
Hathors can beat Ascos, and Ascos can beat Hathors. It depends on the pilot.
RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Harley.Quinn - 02-07-2013
I didn't make this threat to discuss about which GBs can beat the Asco or the Lib. GB or any other Gunboats.
We all know (except Vaygaar) that an Asco is too much OP, I'd say the same about the Lib.GB too.
It must be nerfed like the Tridente was nerfed a while ago.
PMed in Skype.
RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Jack_Henderson - 02-07-2013
Quote:[...]get behind it and stay behind it and it's an easy day for you (especially if you CD spam while you're at it).
I don't think so. Asco fires 6 backwards, has the strongest arc in the back and can dodge well (good shape helps) while running from you. In a chase fight, the fleeing Asco 6-gun-backwards boat wins against its 6-gun chasing opponent because of its superior shape.
Quote:Best GBs to fight all snubs (boomers n' fighters):
Bottlenose, Kusari GB, Gaian GB, Liberty GB, Asco, CR GB, LR GB, Tridente
Shows you do not fly snubs a lot against Gbs.
I do.
The Bnose has the decency (despite the OPness) to die fast once the shield is gone (low hull, CAU4 only).
The Asco does not. The Asco dishes out a lot more damage to snubs that the Bnose, simply because of its hull strength (caused by armor multiplier including CAU8) makes it last much longer.
The Kusari Boat is not that scary, as it lacks the backwards firepower.
Same for the Gaian GB.
You can approach them, get close and try your luck without bleeding 10 bots on every single snac run.
But this will get fixed by the damage nerf, I am sure. Perhaps then it is not necessary to bring 5 players (on snubs) to battle 1 semi-skilled GB.
RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Pancakes - 02-07-2013
(02-06-2013, 06:46 PM)jammi Wrote:(02-06-2013, 06:12 PM)Pancakes Wrote:(02-06-2013, 05:49 PM)Mimmey Wrote: Pancakes,bring that GB and let's see what it can do against my Asco.
I recall the old times when people were crying around about loldente being OP, same same new name, eh?
The old Tridente was hideously OP - it lost a turret and was nerfed in several other aspects too. Now it's okay.
The Asco and a few other problem ships will probably be re-evaluated as well. You'd have to wait for Blodo to give an update to see what the final verdict is.
Oh please Jammi. 99% of the nerfs that happen in the community is purely due players crying around. It's the same as people that said nerf the RoS VHF because it was OP (or the Hellfire one), when they were identical to the Sabre (talking about 4.86 Sabre), nothing is wrong with any of the 3 yet people cry. Why? Because lot of times they met better pilots that fly those ships, doesn't make the ships really better than others.
Loldente is now not "okay" but more average minus, maybe even a bit less. It's people crying about other players being better than them much more than a real need for balance (not talking about bugs like crosshair going off, that's unrelated to any balance issue).
RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Harley.Quinn - 02-07-2013
(02-07-2013, 05:14 PM)Pancakes Wrote: Why? Because lot of times they met better pilots that fly those ships, doesn't make the ships really better than others.
I've been flying an Asco myself and the problem isn't that I am beaten by other Pilots. The problem is that others are easily beaten by me. Yesterday I tried something out... Tried to fight an Asco with a different GB and I saw why that happened,while with an Asco I could beat that pilot when he fought me with an Asco.
Complaning the "OP"ness because you got beaten by other pilots isn't a right thing.
RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Yber - 02-07-2013
(02-07-2013, 12:10 AM)monmarfori Wrote: Gaian GB - Too slim, maybe crosshair points out of hitbox. And if it uses TS it can be useful, otherwise not.
LOOL.
Tridente is okay in good hands.
Asco is okay in most of hands.
LN GB is OP in most of hands.
Gaian GB sucks in good hands.
KuEx is <3
Few months back I could beat you on a KuEx tengo, with ease. Asco is not overpowered, you just need to stop zooming 10000000 km out and actually use your aiming.
RE: Ascos.!Dear Devs... - Harley.Quinn - 02-07-2013
I don't fly Ascos any more. And It's is overpowered like Lib.GB. Turret Zoom doesn't need much skills,especially when you fly Asco and Lib.GB.
P.S I started using Zoom a bit later...