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RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - AceofSpades - 06-29-2014
(06-29-2014, 11:30 AM)Marcus Wrote: You are displaying these items openly in the sell menu where anyone can see them. If you truely want to keep it hidden then prehaps a system of where you set these items to sell only when you know there's a trusted buyer around..
Aye, agreed, this static-interface menu is the reality of the situation. The only problem with this is that with Disco's old-school components, it isnt possible to keep anything 'hidden' if you want it to be accessible to anyone else, unless you are willing to set and reset stocking limits each time you have a visitor. This however would require a "station administrator" to remain on station at all times..
If this situation were indeed the case for stations (like Rochester for example)--that each time a smuggler wanted to do business someone with proper Junker authority would have to "clear" them and their goods--then smuggling would be completely dead within no time.. I simply wish for a realistic way in which to do this without remaining in-game 24/7 just to set stocking limits for visiting Pilots because we cant improve the mechanics of POBs. We already have far too much traffic for this method to be practical, and otherwise smugglers will remain the "silent, interaction avoiding" types the the Community has been complaining about.
(06-29-2014, 11:30 AM)Marcus Wrote: In the BPA there's a suggestion that I pass around once players get a handle on things; If they make it interesting then let them go.Also agreed, the only other faction I've ever been a part of besides the Junkers is the [LN] Liberty Navy, where I felt the same way as you.
I'll argue this though, why shouldn't that positive attitude of "if they make it interesting, play on" attitude apply to this situation? We're doing the months of hard work and maintenance required to create a focal point for activity/play, why not just agree that in order to make things run smoothly and encourage gameplay, we need to do a little pretending (Roleplaying).
Let's make things interesting.. instead of being hung up on the limited mechanics of our server.
RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - Pel - 06-29-2014
(06-29-2014, 08:09 PM)AceofSpades Wrote: ...why not just agree that in order to make things run smoothly and encourage gameplay, we need to do a little pretending (Roleplaying).
Let's make things interesting.. instead of being caught up in the limited mechanics of our server.
Hmnn...a good point, Spock.
RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - larzac - 06-30-2014
(06-29-2014, 07:28 AM)AlphaWolf215 Wrote: As a member of the Bretonian War Cabinet, I will explain some of the reasons we WON'T allow you to control Inverness, as Junkers, in any way, shape or form.
The first reason, is that Bretonia cannot afford to lose a system. RP wise, BPA can make patrols out there, as it's their job to police a system. Their main job is not to fight a war. Inverness has untapped resources (namely the planet) that they would desperately use. (All we need is a planetform group to start terraforming.. Hmmm..?)
The second most prominent problem for me is that you guys have been causing Bretonia problems/hassle for a while now over the POB problems and what not relating to that. Why the hell would Bretonia trust you to look after it's system when you couldn't even follow it's laws? I certainly wouldn't be happy entrusting you with a system. I'd be happier giving it specifically to a Bretonian faction (Bowex, BMM, Gateway, possibly BIS..?). If your going to be a protectorate, you need to be trusted. Currently, you are not.
Now, I have skipped a few pages. If any other points need clarity, I am happy to assist.
I am not a dev so i dont exaclty know what they think about inverness but i heard from one of them that Only BAF high command is aware about inverness system. If you prefer, civilian and even police Dont know about this system inrp. And when i see how far is the system, i dont see how it's possible that BPA patrol here. There are gaians base and mollys base just near inveress JH in newcastle, and even wild... This area of bretonia isn't accessible to BPA and hardly to BAF inrp for sure. And you say that you cant trust junkers, remind me, who is your best allies in the war until now? who helped you to fight GRN? Who keep the last base avaible to BAF in Leeds Just to help you? Dont say me that you cant trust us, that's a lie. Today, we are your best ally.
RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - Highland Laddie - 06-30-2014
Junkers the best ally in the war? I'm sure Liberty Navy may dispute that. Just my opinion, but I value a support fleet more than a PoB in contested territory.
And the lack of trust part comes from the rather lazy approach towards getting those bases registered. I understand why, of course, but that certainly is grounds for mistrust.
RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - larzac - 06-30-2014
(06-30-2014, 01:27 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: Junkers the best ally in the war? I'm sure Liberty Navy may dispute that. Just my opinion, but I value a support fleet more than a PoB in contested territory.
Well, i agree with you that a fleet would be better than just a PoB, but the problem is that i never saw LN defend New london or Leeds, but junkers did.
Anyway, i dont see how bretonia could still control inverness inrp but it's maybe because i am on the junker side.
RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - Omi - 06-30-2014
So if BAF is so insistent on owning Inverness, when is the GRN ID getting a ZoI extension to reflect that? (:::::
I voted for independent/Junker, since that's what it has always been, and suggesting to me that Bretonia has the manpower to annex an entire star system at this point is making my eyebrows head skyward.
RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - Marcus - 06-30-2014
(06-29-2014, 08:09 PM)AceofSpades Wrote: I'll argue this though, why shouldn't that positive attitude of "if they make it interesting, play on" attitude apply to this situation? We're doing the months of hard work and maintenance required to create a focal point for activity/play, why not just agree that in order to make things run smoothly and encourage gameplay, we need to do a little pretending (Roleplaying).In the situation of Inverness the Junkers hasn't come across in the best light, as myg0t33 throughly explained this matter was ignored by the Junkers until the BPA were forced to actually fire on the base to get your attention. The paperwork might be 'mindless' as you called it but it is a requirement in order for us to know freind from foe. The law in Bretonia for getting permission to build a base BEFORE it's creation has been in place since the introduction of bases themselves. But, instead of the standing KOS for such bases, due to the moving circumstances the Junkers were given considerable leeway. It hasn't left us with the best faith.
However it has been said over the course of this thread that, while we would not accept the selling of an entire system, we were open to the idea of other options that would have the side effect of letting your illegal trade continue. We however arn't going to do all the thinking for you. If you have an idea, we'll lisen to it.
(06-30-2014, 09:26 AM)larzac Wrote: I am not a dev so i dont exaclty know what they think about inverness but i heard from one of them that Only BAF high command is aware about inverness system. If you prefer, civilian and even police Dont know about this system inrp. And when i see how far is the system, i dont see how it's possible that BPA patrol here. There are gaians base and mollys base just near inveress JH in newcastle, and even wild... This area of bretonia isn't accessible to BPA and hardly to BAF inrp for sure. And you say that you cant trust junkers, remind me, who is your best allies in the war until now? who helped you to fight GRN? Who keep the last base avaible to BAF in Leeds Just to help you? Dont say me that you cant trust us, that's a lie. Today, we are your best ally.I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at;
-Inverness is listed in the Bretonian Interstellar Laws and certainly not hidden, and the relevant section hasn't be touched in years. That it is the BPA that do patrols there and not the BAF is because these civilan affiars are what the BPA deal with.
-Our best allies are undoubtable Liberty, who has been one of long standing and provides assitance in the form of ships with actual military capability.
-Junkers of course CAN'T be trusted. The thought otherwise is rather confusing. Junkers smuggle illegal goods, they are freinds/neutral with Gaians, Corsairs, Mollys, SCRA and Hackers to list every pirate faction within Bretonia, all of which happily make use of the docking rights on Trafalgar, they do small acts of piracy in the border worlds, and all of this repeats within the houses of our allies. The fact that Junkers assist with the war effort can be seen as nothing past the self preservation from the wrath of Gallia on their turncoat spies.
(06-30-2014, 01:50 PM)Omicega Wrote: I voted for independent/Junker, since that's what it has always been, and suggesting to me that Bretonia has the manpower to annex an entire star system at this point is making my eyebrows head skyward.Not sure if you've read all the material here but Inverness has been under Bretonian claim for quite some time, going back years in either RP or RL. Since it's been quiet there, and since no one reads Bretonian law, people incorrectly assume otherwise.
RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - larzac - 06-30-2014
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Not sure if you've read all the material here but Inverness has been under Bretonian claim for quite some time, going back years in either RP or RL. Since it's been quiet there, and since no one reads Bretonian law, people incorrectly assume otherwise.
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It's not because you have write it in your law that it's the lore decided by dev.
And as i said, explain me inrp how BPA go there, because with Gallic raids, Mollys base and Gaian base too near the hole, i really would like to know. they use cloak to come there?
RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - Teerin - 06-30-2014
Can I vote for other?
At this point this is kind of a needless system, especially with the current mentality around here being that's there's too many systems, so a few should be taken out of the mod here and there
If you made a giant asteroid field or something called "Inverness" in the upper left hand corner of Cortez and put Invergordon Spaceport somewhere in the middle (maybe nearby a new Newcastle jump hole?) it would essentially be the same thing as it was, and definitely a part of independent space.
I've even spoken with JM| leadership before about this plausible idea, and they weren't too adverse to it
Okay, so I guess option 2: Remain Independent/Junker Space works
RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - Haste - 06-30-2014
Bretonia claims Inverness, but doesn't actually have the manpower to.
Gallia might just send some forces into the system if Bretonia does anything stupid like trying to actually put a fleet in there.
Junkers keep their head down and go about their business as usual.
What's wrong with Inverness being fully independent yet contested?