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Politics and Role Play - Linkus - 09-23-2008
The Junkers do run the black market in everywhere but Kusari. It has been stated many times throughout the inforcards/rumours etc in the game.
Politics and Role Play - Lohingren - 09-23-2008
and oh yes might i add a vast majority of the Junkers products they sell on the black market is actually salvaged and reproduced weaponry/ships from the scrap fields, again it all comes down to salavage and restoration
@Linkus: Thus they do not run the black market, if the hogosha prevent them from holding control of a certain part of sirius black market then they do not own or run it, there is still a competitor out there, and as you said they are business men, they obviously want to destroy or make their competitors go down under. again proving why they should be attacking hogosha, and again a reason why they would not let a corsair who could potentially tell them what the junkers are doing run one of their bases
Politics and Role Play - Linkus - 09-23-2008
Once again, you seem to be missing a lot of the infocards/rumours on the various bases throughout Sirius. Look at Rochester even, a junker NPC even states that the Cardi run from there to Manhatten is the most dangerous one a Junker can do.
There are numerous rumours etc that state that Rochester/Other junker bases are where you can get ANYTHING you want. Read the infocards before commenting on it.
Politics and Role Play - Lohingren - 09-23-2008
where does that have anything to do with the matter at hand linkus? we have already stated what you just said a million times, and again they can get anything because they salvage everything and anything, repair it, and sell it.
infact i would like to take one of my statements back saying they are not good scientists, they arent much scientists but top notch engineer's
Politics and Role Play - Culebra - 09-23-2008
' Wrote:I wholeheartedly agree, The Junkers are businessmen, and scientists etc.
Actually, we are trying to protect our profits. Most criminal organisations and smuggling rings work based on bribery, violence and threats.
The OUtcasts have attempted diplomatic contact, you appear to have missed this.
Only after the ships were sent out. But I have seen it. The SOB thread was what I was hoping for from the begginning :)
Hogosha and bounty hunters are the only real enemies for the Junkers. also, it states very clearly in the infocard for junkers that they carefully maintain neutrality in the Corsair/Outcast war. To maintian nuetrality you don't show favouritism. The Outcasts have supplied you with an extremely profitable source of drugs for many years, then the Junkers employ a Corsair. The Outcasts respect the neutral stance and don't push the junkers to take a side in the war, however you -still- do something that would enrage any Outcast. Please answer this comment. Does this, or does this not, show favouritism? Motive or not, this -is- favouritism.
It may show favouritism yes. But this may have been in response to the bullying the outcasts have done to Junkers in Sigma 13
Infact we are RPing it that way, we are so concerned that there is a Corsair who could cut our profits (especialy into Rhienland) being employed by an apparently neutral party, that we have found ourselves deserately resorting to threats after our calm diplomatic messages were ignored. We have stepped up the pressure.
I have at no point attempted to tell you how to roleplay, we have been discussing in an ooc way, the roleplay that is going on. You have assumed that our anger in character is somehow reflected by anger ooc. You're wrong. Its not.
I was directing that at Lohingren who say we can only collect scrap. I think one of you is mad ooc. But not all of you.
I see no uniform arrogance Culebra. Remember, as you said, the truth is in your head, you see arrogance? well for you its true then. I don't, thus for me it's offensive for you to label -all- outcast players as such.
Ok you are not arrogant. That's one outcast :P However Lohingren's posts tend to back up my arrogance claim and he is the leader of the ROS. But I am sorry if I offended you.
And Kudos to Cesar.
Politics and Role Play - Lohingren - 09-23-2008
and your the one who bashed someone's RP because he would not agree with you Culebra now aren't we showing a bit of hypocrisy here?
no im not mad far from it, im sure alot of people can tell when im angry.... or mad... or being arrogant.... i can assure you mate.... this is not me angry, nor am i being arrogant... im actually fairly not bothered about what you do i could not care less.... i just find this move rather illogical and frankly stupid.
like i said im not angry nor am i even bothered about any of this
infact, your the one who is shouting arrogance arrogance because of some people who will not agree with you, im sure i can most likely say you are being rather arrogant yourself
Politics and Role Play - Culebra - 09-23-2008
' Wrote:im still waiting on your logic for letting a Corsair run a base.... in between almost every outcast allied faction in the game.What I meant by hogosha was not our #1 enemy was that we don't see them outside of Kusari. I have had more trouble from bounty hunters, xenos, and pirates than hogosha. In fact I have never seen one.
and you think this would not anger atleast one of them?
Oh yeah it would anger them. But violence first is not the answer. In RP Cesar is not happy about it. I think it was done to wake the outcasts up and show them Junkers are not their whipping boys.
now i would appreciate it if you wouldnt bash someone else's RP when noone has done so to you.... why dont you try some common courtesy eh? try not to take things so personal eh? its only a game
From your posts you seemed to be forcing me to be a scrap collector. So honor my RP and I will do the same. For the record I am not mad but Culebra's can be hot-headed...its the latin blood. :P
They may are rivals because they control a market we want. SO enemies in business but as far as enemies as in battle I don't give them a second thought.
Edit: You bash my RP I will bash yours. Simple. I don't back down its a character flaw. Yeah look at your posts if you don't see arrogance then oh well we agree to disagree.
Politics and Role Play - Lohingren - 09-23-2008
now when did i ever say, your RP is flawed, and that you should change it? i did not, and you having more troubles with BH is not RP, infact thats the PVP side of this server, IRP the junkers fight the hogosha to gain territory in kusari, which is proving difficult since the hogosha have the kusari navy/police backing them, just because you have not seen many hogosha or came into contact with them does not automatically make them a minor part, infact the only reason you have not seen many hogosha is cause frankly there is hardly any to see, maybe if there was some RP developement between junkers and hogosha it would give them a reason to play, instead of making corsairs run your bases, heck you say your businessmen what positive side would giving one of your heaviest populated bases to a corsair do?
Politics and Role Play - Jihadjoe - 09-23-2008
Can we have some evidence of this bullying culebra? Not from wayward indies, nor from outcasts -since- the corsair was appointed.
Also, the BLS trying to corner the market was an RP not supported by a fair chunk of the Outcast players.
I myself found it overly restrictive on many peoples choice on the server.
However I would like to see some evidence of the OC bullying Junkers. Bullying them for what purpose? And who? This clearly isn't a policy we adopted until the Corsair was appointed at Yanagi.
Did you consider the fallout from this before you did it?
Politics and Role Play - Lohingren - 09-23-2008
and yes i would like to see this bullying because everytime i come across a junker on my RoS or any other of my chars (which are all OC alligned besides my NPG and my Xeno) i have treated them with the utmost respect and i expect the rest of RoS to do so also
anyone not showing the same courtesy would and SHOULD be taken care of, infact i would expect of you to tell one of us straight away.