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Discussion of Order Council - ryoken - 12-22-2008
I think wolfpack, and i do not know you. You just stepped in to it with both feet,and then started kicking it around. You were not asked to come back,and stir it up.Nor does anyone seem to want you here stirring it up. I am sorry if this offend's? but it has to be said.
Discussion of Order Council - Unseelie - 12-22-2008
' Wrote:It's been my observation that cooling its heels in the abandoned back alley of Sirius (Toledo local) has been 98% of what's caused the Bs| to be somewhat shy of a fun group to run around with.
Has any thought gone into not sitting in Minor waiting for someone to come along and stir the pot?
Honestly, I am somewhat selfishly thinking on the proposal that I sent to Swiss, but the point does stand. It's comparable to the XA staying in Kepler waiting for someone to come poke us unless we come up with a good reason to head into New York. It's just not good medicine for good time blues.
I know I'm not being shy of opinionated and I think the last thing the LN needs is another enemy, but I would like to see a more aggressive and active Order.
P.S. I, for one, haven't grown up in the slightest.
Though I understand the motivation for the withdrawal, I might say, tonight is the first time I've ever actually interacted with the Bs|, and I had to fly dear mourning all the way to the center of their inner sanctum to do it. The point being...Bs| has a habit of curling up upon itself and becoming an Unfun entity which you really have to prod to get it to interact with you...
Moreover, it was an indie who did most of the interacting, tonight...
Besides the growing issue of the possible powerplay and the revolt, and the ubiquitious Indie/Faction drama, if I might be so bold as to suggest a way to actually improve the Bs| (indie faction drama never ever helps) I'd suggest you spread your wings a bit. Maybe not Liberty. In fact, ignore Liberty...but spread a bit. Be, as Dusty suggested, more aggressive...in the omicrons.
Discussion of Order Council - Wolfpack98 - 12-22-2008
' Wrote:As Blunt said, OORP matters are for the Admins to sort out, not power hungry factions.
Heh. yes, it is. however do the admins need to be dealing with *EVERY* instance of OORP crap?
Coming from a former admin.. I can tell you this. ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I'm not looking for power. I don't want it. Unfortunately I haven't seen anyone better step up to help curb just how stupidly chaotic the order faction has become.
And yes, it is stupidly chaotic cause you have like five or six different "splinter cells" that operate in direct contridiction of eachother.
I'm sorry but that makes it even worse. It's even further out of OORP, and that Is all i'm going to say.
If all you kids want to do is whine, then be my guess. i haven't heard or even seen *ONE* freaking reply that actually addresses the problem and satisfies all parties here. I'm sorry but until you can provide a solution to the problem, then stop crying and whining about everything.
May i suggest everyone stop posting so the admins can actually chime in?
' Wrote:I think wolfpack, and i do not know you. You just stepped in to it with both feet,and then started kicking it around. You were not asked to come back,and stir it up.Nor does anyone seem to want you here stirring it up. I am sorry if this offend's? but it has to be said.
I saw that coming. Too bad. Put up or shaddup.
' Wrote:Besides the growing issue of the possible powerplay and the revolt, and the ubiquitious Indie/Faction drama, if I might be so bold as to suggest a way to actually improve the Bs| (indie faction drama never ever helps) I'd suggest you spread your wings a bit. Maybe not Liberty. In fact, ignore Liberty...but spread a bit. Be, as Dusty suggested, more aggressive...in the omicrons.
Oh, that's something i intend to correct. In fact, I've ordered most of Bs| to avoid Liberty at all costs. We have a bigger fish to fry (smirk)
Discussion of Order Council - Orin - 12-22-2008
You don't seem to get it, Wolf. You say these things are ooRP, but the Order and Liberty are listed as enemies. If you want to call anything ooRP, it is the Bs going down another road.
That said, I won't say that. I like how you have brought things about, and it works. However, that does not mean you can make the others do as you do.
OoRP is in the eye of the beholder.
Discussion of Order Council - Linkus - 12-22-2008
Quote:Heh. yes, it is. however do the admins need to be dealing with *EVERY* instance of OORP crap?
Yes.
Unless you want players to start policing the server for OORP behaviour and essentially creating a server police, something that the Admins have clearly stated on many occasions they do not want, then it is up to players to submit a Sanction report and go through the proper methods.
Players cannot, and should not, attack other players for OORP reasons, including another player being an OORP idiot. (Unless in extreme circumstances like self-defence etc)
I find it OORP that the leader of an elite wing of the Order is becoming the all powerful dictator of the entire NPC faction.
Clearly that's grounds for a few ships to come around and blast you to pieces?
I mean, if I find it OORP, it must be OORP for everyone:rolleyes:
Discussion of Order Council - JakeSG - 12-22-2008
Regarding raids on Liberty: I myself, as a member of several lawful factions, wouldn't mind you launching raids in fighters. You know, them Nepthys things that most of you seem to have long since forgotten? You DO have your own fighter line, you realise?
Ahem. Yeah, it's the massed Capital Ship orgy raids that really piss me off.
Discussion of Order Council - n00bl3t - 12-22-2008
' Wrote:Put up or shaddup.
That is the attitude people want to see from Supreme-Tiebreaking council leader of the Order.
Edit:
' Wrote:OoRP is in the eye of the beholder.
Noted.
Discussion of Order Council - Wolfpack98 - 12-22-2008
' Wrote:You don't seem to get it, Wolf. You say these things are ooRP, but the Order and Liberty are listed as enemies. If you want to call anything ooRP, it is the Bs going down another road.
That said, I won't say that. I like how you have brought things about, and it works. However, that does not mean you can make the others do as you do.
OoRP is in the eye of the beholder.
Okay. Since you want to get into semantics here.
Liberty and Order are hostile. yes. That's an obvious take.
Are they actively at war? nope. At the end of the single player campaign, Liberty still consider them hostile, and so do Order. However, Order does not engage Liberty outright except in their own zone of influence. You don't see them in Liberty space, except where nomads are present. Order basically took the stance "We'll leave you alone, but if you shoot, we'll return fire" bit.
THAT is where the OORP bit is coming from but I'm going to let the admins decide on that. It's their call.
And since people have been saying "We didn't want you back" to me... *shrug* I didn't ask to come back, nor do I need *ANYONES* permission to return. The only people who can tell me to pack my bags and go at this time are the admins.
Discussion of Order Council - Dusty Lens - 12-22-2008
Well, I might as well step out of this one. My chief interest in following this thread was to see the Order be an active player again in a way that doesn't include a fleet of battleships and cruisers floating over west point talking about synthpot.
The discussion that's currently embroiling this thread, that of the unending wank between those persons who are and are not (or arenot and are for people looking for preference) in a player faction is one that won't be giving up the ghost anytime soon.
Honestly, my advice to you at this point would be to simply allow the "indie" players to pursue their own paths while you tend to your own. If you excel enough at being an outstandingly fun time people will change their tune and play it the same way you are in due time. Imposing a mindset on players who're unwilling to accommodate your views does -not- work with any positive outcome within the current atmosphere in Discovery, no matter how bone headed their actions may seem.
Sometimes you've got it wrong as well.
In the end, you'll be credited on the merit of your faction's actions and not by that of the players who aren't flying your banner.
Discussion of Order Council - Linkus - 12-22-2008
Quote:Are they actively at war? nope.
You ought to take a stroll through Alaska sometime.
Quote:At the end of the single player campaign,
We are 16/7 years ahead of that now.
Quote:Order basically took the stance "We'll leave you alone, but if you shoot, we'll return fire"
Times have changed, the Order apparantly sees Liberty as still infected, especially since the Navy are doing Nomad experiments in Alaska.
Quote:THAT is where the OORP bit
Merely OORP for you, not for others.