' Wrote:I am so not amused by this.
OP, I hope you're not going to start another thread without having enough information at hand ever again. At least talk with a member of the faction before starting a topic here.
Anyways, the mod -is- called Discovery, so it's up to you whether you go find it yourself or ask someone. No secret locations are going to be posted unless the factions want them to be. So I'd suggest talking to those factions.

' Wrote:Since someone finally bothered to let me know about this, I will comment.

I personally removed the location of Fort Leniex from the Wiki.

I did not do this to set a precedent. Please reread the discussion: it was concluded that the sector, but not the exact location, would be shown.

I don't see why Fort Leniex in particular is such an issue.

For instance, the Unknown Object in Chester; it is a Nomad base, and it has the sector - the sector, not where exactly it is in relation to the plane - on it.

New York and Alaska; absolutely no mention of how to get past the mine field.

Corsica Outer Sanctum's Wiki page doesn't mention its exact location in comparison to the plane, either, and it's far more public than Leniex (albeit visible on scanners)

Same goes for the Alien Jump Gate in Kansas; it says its below the plane, yes, but it doesn't say exactly where below the plane.

Does Corinth Research Station's page tell you exactly how to get there? Does Battleship Atum's? And the Liberty Rogue Destroyer's?

Terre Haute's Wiki page doesn't say exactly where it is, either, does it?

I could even get ridiculous and say "Does the Missouri's say where it is compared to the plane?". After all, it is 50m below the plane.

Why on earth should Leniex's exact location be specified, then?

Are you panicking because the Hellfire Legion account was the one to bring that into constancy with every single other base, secret or otherwise, that's anywhere on the Wiki? Would you rather I have created a totally separate account to do exactly the same thing?

I fail to see why this is a problem when it was the conclusion of both a discussion by other editors and consistent with all other similar articles. The only falsification that went on is the removal of the distance and direction off the plane that it was.

So go nitpick elsewhere and stop Q_Q'ing because your article edit was undone to match the pre-discussed conclusion and to maintain consistency.

It has nothing to do with stopping people from getting equipment, either. If you're really too lazy to find it yourself, you can even (gasp!) ask someone. If you're a Hacker, most other Hackers/VR members/HF members'll be decent enough to let you know, out of character, where the place is. If you're on the official server, we might even show you.

That said, this'll all be a moot point when .86 rolls around, so I honestly don't care if you add it back. I removed it for the sake of consistency; if the Administration doesn't want it removed, I could honestly care less.

Game, people. Game. Not worth starting flame threads over, especially for something this ridiculously trivial.

... And oh my goodness people are posting fast.

cshake: Again, could care less. It's easy to do; just keep it consistent. The distance off the plane was sitting right there next to the coordinates in the infobox. There's not one other article where that's been done.

EisenSeele: Oh yes. It's a faction conspiracy. Keep it up. I hear the wholesalers are making a fortune off of tin hats these days.

Seriously, I'm not sure what else to say to that. Might've made me laugh if it wasn't a little bit pathetic.

Soong: Good points, in general. And less of an essay than mine, too.

Everyone: Simmer down, people. Game.

' Wrote:I'm starting an official investigation. Those in charge of wiki falsification will be reprimanded to the fullest extent of the law.

' Wrote:As for the off-plane location in the spoiler, I could take it or leave it, provided the same thing happens to Corsica Outer Sanctum.

• The wiki IS primarily for THIS server. Igiss/A&L guy owns the whole freaking lot. You can't argue with that. Whoever owns the hardware owns the stuff. They might rent server space, but they pay the bills. That's how life goes. They have final say, but they are also human and fallible. They are also reasonable people and can be persuaded away from their initial viewpoint, if given enough time to think, and respect to hold their own opinion.
  
• In saying that, it is useful to have SOME information for every community that uses the Discovery Mod. Igiss ALSO agrees with that. However, to facility that, we need to move slowly.
  
• Information can be split into separate categories. There is common knowledge. There is factional knowledge, and there is personal knowledge. There is also "secret" knowledge you are supposed to "Discover". For instance, Igiss has said that he wants people to "Discover" things. My wiki team and I fought long and hard to gain the spoiler tag facility SO that we could put things on the wiki that were considered "not-common" knowledge, but were certainly useful for members of factions. The premise being to build UP the wiki to a point where it does indeed fulfill the first paragraph and it's intention of being useful to ALL members of THIS SERVER of Disco.
  
• The problem arises when you have differing Lore for each faction for different servers. For instance : If we put on the LPI page that Chief Matt Myers (Zapp) is the Head of LPI, and that he has to be obeyed by faction members AND independent players alike (for cohesion in roleplay, otherwise there is chaos, in a police force that is NEVER chaotic like that. Pirate groups, sometimes ; police force, no,) then the Berlin Discovery community want the Lore to state that Marilyn Monroe on their server is the Commandant of the LPI, then which server gets prime position to dictate to the others what is going on? Do all servers have to play by THIS servers Lore that there is Matt Myers, and only ever Matt Myers as Chief of LPI? No. That's preposterous.
  
• It's also preposterous to have a disambiguation page for every server's LPI force, and so on, * amount of factions * amount of servers * times amount of factional splits. It's a ridiculus amount of work, and SOMEBODY has to keep it updated. Much of the information cannot be written up by a bot from the inis. That's the easy info. Anyone with half a brain and two eyes can grab stuff from ini files.
  
• It's also a question of WHO is going to keep these things updated. Are you going to continue keeping all things "secret" updated? What happens when you get tired of that game and want to play something else? Are you going to fulfil the obligation you have now created for yourself, in sticking around to continually update those "secret" things? Or are you going to (as has been demonstrated in the past on many other games and wikis, and individual pages and factions WITHIN this wiki alone... that you will simple go "enough!" and walk away?) It's VERY VERY likely the latter. In fact I would almost bet on it. That's a heavy burden to wear my friend. It's much better to ask people to be responsible for themselves, and if they choose not to update, or to hide information, then that is up to them.
  

' Wrote:The wiki IS primarily for THIS server. Igiss/majkp owns the whole freaking lot. You can't argue with that. Whoever owns the hardware owns the stuff. They might rent server space, but they pay the bills. That's how life goes. They have final say, but they are also human and fallible. They are also reasonable people and can be persuaded away from their initial viewpoint, if given enough time to think, and respect to hold their own opinion.

' Wrote:Little update for you, Soong, since you've been away a while - it's no longer majkp, now Arms & Legs Guy is the server guy.

And now, back to your regularly-scheduled debate.