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Faction Right 2 and 5 - Taneru - 12-10-2010
' Wrote:That and being what dab said. He is not allowed to give that order to begin with So there is no bounty to be placed. He cannot tell us where we can and cannot go inrp and oorp. Wich makes hes entire off limits omega 7 thread Invalid.Again, Dab's word is not law.
' Wrote:We need to use the ID to use the ship, this doesnt mean that we automatically follow BHG core orders since we have that ID, They took the BHG ID away and made it that... So we only buy the ID to fly the ship.Yes.
It.
Does.
Let me put this simply.
If you fly a ship with a BHG Core ID, you are part of the BHG Core NPC Faction, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT, PICK ANOTHER ID.
Faction Right 2 and 5 - Llama - 12-10-2010
Agmen, You seem to think since you are a leader of a faction you control the ship line...
You cannot order a indie if it contrast and ruins their RP. Call it a snappy remark, But if i made a civial faction, I will control cililians, mercs, freelacners, some zoners, indapendant miners, indapendant traders and some other people.... Oh wait, no i wont, they are not actually in my faction?!
I think you need to realise that we dont need to follow your orders Agmen, Though you are a faction leader *thumbs up* You are not gonig to command my ship because you just happend to control a faction related to mine.
The RP of a BHG standard is being tossed around like loose change in your pocket. I think its time to realise -- We -- don't-- Like--- BHG-- Cores--- Rules. And we will have not a single bit of intention to change our Rp to suit your already massive faction.
You have your BHG core, We have our indies. leave the BHG alone. You dont bounty, you dont hunt, you just RP and fight in a war... Nothing to do with the real BHG ways.
Edit: tel me my new ID then lads? So i can fly my BHG Thresher? Oh wait... There is non because the ID was changed in the first place to suit someone.
As of now, You contradict my Rp, you ruin the BHG ways (no hunting for bounties, Lone hunters)... You order my ship, You threaten me with Ninja reps if i dont comply... As of this moment Agmen... I say "no" to your Orders, your logic, Your self rightiousness and "No" to the BHG core.
Faction Right 2 and 5 - Taneru - 12-10-2010
So, you just want to keep your big fancy capship?
Yeah, sorry, but no. Hate to break it to you, but factions having capital ships isn't a right.
You seem to be pushing for a seperation between the BHG and the Core. If that happens, GUESS WHO'S GONNA BE KEEPING THE CAPITAL SHIPS?
I'll give you a hint. The name starts with a 'C' and ends with 'ore'.
Faction Right 2 and 5 - Diabolicus - 12-10-2010
A regular BHG doesn't have the means to own a cap (or maintain one). Not even the Core owns their battleships, they are to the Core itself, not the captains of the vessels.
No house will accept to repair a foreign warship, no Junker will trust a bounty hunter.
Faction Right 2 and 5 - Agmen of Eladesor - 12-10-2010
' Wrote:Agmen, You seem to think since you are a leader of a faction you control the ship line...
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I think you need to realise that we dont need to follow your orders Agmen, Though you are a faction leader *thumbs up* You are not gonig to command my ship because you just happend to control a faction related to mine.
Quote:RIGHT 2) Official factions have authority over players of the same NPC affiliation, as long as RP justification is provided. This authority applies in forums and in-game, and applies to player faction diplomacy, and strategic and tactical direction. However, exercise of that authority, on the forums and in game, is restricted to official faction members with the rank of the official faction leader and one rank below him/her. The authority may be exercised through the use of in-game in-RP orders, which, if not obeyed, can result in in-game in-RP consequences (arrest, court martial, and even "lethal" force in extreme circumstances). Official Factions cannot, under any cicrumstances, require another player to follow non-canon RP if that player doesn't want to.
Quote:INTENT OF RIGHT NUMBER 2:
The intent of this right is to allow official faction leadership to also provide leadership, with discretion, to independent players, to improve server gameplay, fairplay, and roleplay.
This right is NOT intended to provide the official faction leadership the right to exercise power for its own sake.
An example of "good" exercise of these rights is to require an independent player to not utilize a heavy captial ship against a smaller lone fighter or bomber, or to not enter an existing fight where entering the fight would unbalance it greatly, or to require the independent player to take action or not take action in support of good RP. (ie, ordering the escort of a diplomat, or something equally creative)
An example of "bad" exercise of this right would be to require the player to patrol an empty system, for no particular reason. Requiring the independent to investigate a particular suspicious ship, though, would be legitimate.
An offical faction consistently abusing this right, could lose it at the Admins' discretion.
I have not ordered anyone to violate canon RP. I have issued orders that are consistent with the role play of the BHG|Core. These orders have been issued due to the change in the ID, which freed up the Thresher, Bullhead, and Mako so that they can go into more systems than Omicron Delta, and are intended to improve server gameplay so that the Admins are not required to re-modify or re-restrict our ID. (The old ID was so restrictive, those ships were not allowed to even enter Omicron Gamma or Alpha.)
If you want to hunt bounties in Omega 3 and 7 with either a Bounty Hunter Guild or Bounty Hunters Guild Core ID, please feel free to do so, and be my guest in doing that. Just don't do it in a Thresher, Bullhead, or Mako. That is in direct violation of our orders on that, and we ARE allowed to issue those orders.
Faction Right 2 and 5 - Diabolicus - 12-10-2010
A more visual example of what Official factions can do to you if you don't respect theim. (sun)
Faction Right 2 and 5 - Llama - 12-10-2010
I understand you did not intend it to harm RP of others Agmen. But it is. We all just want to stay in the one place where we can enforce something in the capital ships... Can't you just say "fine, Keep O7/3, but dont abuse it" or something. A request is valid, But an order to an indie, like others have stated- Wont go far.
Faction Right 2 and 5 - Diabolicus - 12-10-2010
' Wrote:I understand you did not intend it to harm RP of others Agmen. But it is. We all just want to stay in the one place where we can enforce something in the capital ships... Can't you just say "fine, Keep O7/3, but dont abuse it" or something. A request is valid, But an order to an indie, like others have stated- Wont go far.
A capital ship can't even navigate inside O-3, much less in O-7. I've tried, I've regreted it, too. 'It's much more efficient to use something smaller, elseway you're just |sails bait.
Edit: Damnit, wanted to preview. Omega-3 already is Bretonian controlled space, and their laws include an anti-foreign capital ship clause, so yes, you would be tresspassing and giving a bad image. The same nearly applies for Omega-7 and Rheinland, too. They won't like you if they see you scaring Daumann away.
Faction Right 2 and 5 - FraserTE - 12-10-2010
Agmen Its your Rp Core rp is not BHG rp its seperate from the Core.
Same thing HF has done Move there id away from the lane hackers there only slightly affiliated with them now.
When are you going to learn and yes i did pm you saying You will change the id before i will move my big mako arse Why because the id says i can.
And ffs stop digging your own hole any deeper then it is. You Have Lost.
I tried to handle the suitation in rp But you went ooc rules this faction right that You cannot handle a 100% rp suitation you must twist it and turn it. You screwed up you booted me out of the faction so i find employment elsewhere You can take you orders and shove them where the sun do not shine Cannon has said him self You cannot Bounty somebody in the same npc faction as yourself.
/thread.
Faction Right 2 and 5 - Diabolicus - 12-10-2010
' Wrote:Agmen Its your Rp Core rp is not BHG rp its seperate from the Core.
Same thing HF has done Move there id away from the lane hackers there only slightly affiliated with them now.
When are you going to learn and yes i did pm you saying You will change the id before i will move my big mako arse Why because the id says i can.
And ffs stop digging your own hole any deeper then it is. You Have Lost.
I tried to handle the suitation in rp But you went ooc rules this faction right that You cannot handle a 100% rp suitation you must twist it and turn it. You screwed up you booted me out of the faction so i find employment elsewhere You can take you orders and shove them where the sun do not shine Cannon has said him self You cannot Bounty somebody in the same npc faction as yourself.
/thread.
Obviously, you aren't Core if you don't roleplay Core, so you're the one using the wrong ID.
EDIT: And I can assure you that, even if your request goes through, the Tresher and the likes will remain BHG Core ships, just like how the HF is getting their own shipline. The Lane Hackers don't have Spyglasses, do they? Nope, all HF property.