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Brigand VHF + a paintjob - frozen - 04-13-2011
This is a decision that has been made by the dev team. We are no longer accepting any faction specific ship(lines), apart from the ones that are already in the mod (see: HF, SCRA, phantom etc).
and doom has hit it bang on the nail- changes that are made should be fitting with the base design, not something entirely different
Brigand VHF + a paintjob - sable - 04-13-2011
' Wrote:The LE simply want their own shipline to make the Brigands more like the LE.
A faction such as the LE asking for an entire shipline would most likely result in flames, so this was no doubt chosen as more sensible option.
I applaud your attempt at this but it is quite clear that the community are quite happy with the current Brigand ships.
If you want to make the Brigands more like the LE then do it.
One mod version is not enough.
We want a new shipline because we (and also a big part of the community) think that the current one does not suit as a shipline. The exact reasons are on the first page.
This is a request to remodel some ships, not a question to the community.
So, instead of defending the current ships, you could as well wait for some concepts first, so that it actually makes your arguments valid.
' Wrote:This is a decision that has been made by the dev team. We are no longer accepting any faction specific ship(lines), apart from the ones that are already in the mod (see: HF, SCRA, phantom etc).
and doom has hit it bang on the nail- changes that are made should be fitting with the base design, not something entirely different
We did at no point ask for any faction specific ships, this is not at all our request. This is only what Linkus just said. What we want is a remodel of the brigand ships done on justified points.
And again, same question I asked Doom...
"base ships" = "first ships that were ever made" ?
If yes...why are Liberty/GRN/Zoner/Order/etc. ships remoddeled (not imports), when they are fine as they were, as "base ships"? This way, I see no reason why the Brigand ships shouldn't be remoddeled....
Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Doom - 04-13-2011
remodeled ships were not so good as you may think....that is why they are remodeled....also, some were remodeled to fit their ship lines since they were modeled by more then one modeler and in different time....however, any changes on them reflect previous design(s)....
As for GRN ships i can answer why i did it, they were remodeled only slightly, and most work was made on retexturing them. Battleship got some new "small" details and council and GRN ship now differ more model wise, whole council cap line got new textures, Vache got its advanced version and old Vache got new cargo boxes, most changes were done on cruiser in means of making it original shape more aggressive. Rest of work on gallic line was on new ships.
So, remodeling is not out of the question, but new models must be much better then current ones. And i am not talking about design, since that is subjective opinion.
Only a handful of our modelers can make models that are on same quality level as current brigand ships. Or it may be a joint effort of good modeler, texturer and hitboxer.
My advice is to leave any contests for times after 4.86 is released.
Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Lunaphase - 04-13-2011
Nobody said anything about trying to cram these into .86, and it is foolish to think that that is sebys intent. The brigand line is currently disjointed and shares very little base design with ships of the same damn line, aside from a lazily done texture job. There are freaking HOLES in the texture of the bomber, for example. (bomb bay, can see through ship at seams).
Sebys request to make the brigand line fit the lore of the brigands is entirely reasonable, due to the fact that their ships are meant to be strike/pirate ships. every brigand ship handles like some sort of light scout ship rather than a pirate ship, and looks that way as well.
Asking for a modeler to work on improving the line when these models on close inspection actually fall BELOW the criteria demanded of others not on the dev team in terms of modeling, is fairly justified.
Instead of flaming this thread, why not let it actually be on topic. Also, doom, AoM's original design for the asco featured a foward gun. it is not there, making it one of the crappyest gunships in the game. (4 turrets foward, 6 back. 500k plant, 100k armor. it is in effect, a ku explorer with weaker plant, armor, and bottlenose arcs but sideways.
Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Divine - 04-13-2011
' Wrote:...
Sebys request to make the brigand line fit the lore of the brigands is entirely reasonable, due to the fact that their ships are meant to be strike/pirate ships. every brigand ship handles like some sort of light scout ship rather than a pirate ship, and looks that way as well.
Asking for a modeler to work on improving the line when these models on close inspection actually fall BELOW the criteria demanded of others not on the dev team in terms of modeling, is fairly justified.
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If there're issues with the current models in terms of textures and hitboxing, name them and ask for those to be fixed.
What you people're mentioning about the shipline is your personal and subjective view on the ship models. As was said multiple times, just because you happen to be the official faction, does not mean you're allowed to shape the shipline around as it pleases your desires.
Current models are working just perfectly in their intended role, so maybe you should think about a change in your tactics if you cannot utilize what was given to you to its full extent.
Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Lunaphase - 04-13-2011
So your saying a large bomber meant to rip ships apart quickly should be weak in pretty much every aspect, id consider that not working in its role pretty damn much. Also, the LF is meant to be an interceptor class, so why is it the same size of the HF?
The entire point of this is that the models are NOT working as their intended roles suggest.
Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Divine - 04-13-2011
' Wrote:So your saying a large bomber meant to rip ships apart quickly should be weak in pretty much every aspect, id consider that not working in its role pretty damn much. Also, the LF is meant to be an interceptor class, so why is it the same size of the HF?
The entire point of this is that the models are NOT working as their intended roles suggest.
So it does wonder why others, but not you, are able to perform quite well with this ships? The LF might sport the same size of the HF because of its actual shape, though I never flew one of those LFs myself, 'cept once for repping purposes (and hell it handles awesome), so I cannot say much about its hitbox.
Back to the topic... this whole -request- of remodelling the Brigand shipline looks rather as you'd wish for ships that suit your +LE+ sort of RP and the ways you're doing in encounters and fights, so you want the ships to be formed into something that reflects the +LE+. Which mostly will mean it will then not reflect the Brigands then anymore.
Learn to use what you got. If there are issues with the current models, as said, name them and maybe they get fixed.
But so blatantly asking for a complete new shipline just because you happen not to like the current one, for reasons mostly owed to your wish of representing your own faction better ingame by the usage of ships, ... meh.
Brigand VHF + a paintjob - Syrus - 04-13-2011
Stop arguing about it and get someone to do the ships you want. Then show them here and ... well ... who knows, maybe you can convince the right people to make it happen?
Although I think the brigand line is alright, but...I don't play Gallics and have no real idea of their RP.
(Even if I find them alright, I don't like the look of them.)
EDIT:
Oh by the way...
The Junkers build their ships from stuff that's been tossed out into space, because it is JUNK - stuff that isn't usefull for the majority anymore.
They don't - or didn't - take the stuff from a battlezone, where there are the "newest" ship models which just have been shot down or disabled floating around.
Brigand VHF + a paintjob - sable - 04-13-2011
Okay, after a talk...
There will be some changes in our request, stay tuned :P
Brigand VHF + a paintjob - tansytansey - 04-14-2011
' Wrote:I'd like to know where you got that information from, I certainly never said I was unable to tile map a ship, which I most certainly am. I allowed Justin to do it for the RH BS as I was lazy and didn't care too much about the money offeredHm, funny how you only show up in the threads offering money then. Forgive me if I misinterpreted this as being your motivation.
Quote:Trust me, you don't want to get into this little dick-waving contest of 'You can't do better' or 'who can do what' because I assure you, you will lose.:lol:Guess I struck a nerve.
Currently I'm constructing some 3D models for a local TV show, so you're going to have to wait a few months if you really feel like you need to prove yourself or whatever.
Quote:You provided pictures to supposedly help your point, and I commented on the pictures themselves and what, in my opinion, is what makes them ugly. I'm not going to spend valuable time in-game finding these craft just to please your silly 'research' quota.I already knew that; but admitting it doesn't make it any better. It's a bad habit to believe only what other people tell you. That's what religion is based on.
Quote:I also believe Tycho did a far better job on the battleship than AoM did on the Brigands, but see, here it all comes down to opinion.Tycho did do a good job on texturing, yes. It is very tedious to texture an entire battleship, so many faces and such. However, there are far more mistakes made in texturing that one model than what is present on the entire Brigand line. There is no opinion there, that's fact.
Quote:And I can say this exact same thing for my battleship, which has only ever received rejection from you
Oh but don't fool yourself hun, just because the mindless and tasteless mob of +1ers of this forum are riding your nuts, doesn't mean your models are any good. They tend to do that for any pretty render put in front of them, no matter how bad it is.
But it's okay if it makes you feel better:)
For the record, I do think your modelling abilities are good. You can build ships that fit within the Freelancer standards, not many people can do that, despite how simple it is.
But that's the simple truth, the majority of people here don't understand what a good model is, you should focus more on the critisisms and critique from your peers than on the mindless praise of the mob.
Quote:and I, also, never claimed any ships as mine. So that's a bit of a strawman right there.Misinterpretation. "You" is a very ambiguous word, it can refer to a single person, or to an entire group. In the case of this context, it was used to refer to the Brigand Faction. So unless you're a part of the faction, that part of my post does not encompass you.
But I do enjoy your overly-defensive manor. However, not being open to critisism and critique is not a very good quality for anyone in the animation industry to possess. The world isn't all sugar coated fairytales out there.