(12-03-2015, 07:29 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:

Why would any smugglers want to interact with police? Isn't smuggling about delivering illegal cargo, possibly avoiding lawfuls in the process because those can be expected to try and intercept illegal cargo, thus bad for business?

Oh, wait, I know. Because of the playerbase shrinking bit by bit we are looking for more ways to force interactions in order to keep up the same amount and with that the same amount of enjoyment, slowly giving less and less crap about whether it makes sense inRP or not, totally ignoring that perhaps that may also be an important factor in the enjoyment of certain people.

Yeah, good luck fitting an activity all about avoiding contact with lawfuls in a scheme like this. When do we want to force pirates letting traders go in order not to discourage people from trading with bad experiences? How far do we really want to go at this?

(12-03-2015, 03:50 PM)Croft Wrote: If you want to take the hard route then only demand the amount your ship can carry but it is no sillier than a pirate asking for only a quarter of a traders cargo, it is for the sake of fairness and something we have already accepted, being lawful or unlawful should not diminish that fact. Nor am I suggesting you let every single smuggler pass through, as I said reward the good RP'ers and explain what the lacking ones did wrong, what that entails is entirely up to you.

The bottom line is you cannot expect to play the constant arm of the law, ruthlessly stopping all smuggling and then turn around wondering why all your activity has dried up, putting another route down won't fix much, you only need to see the lack of traders and pirates to know that credit earning isn't always the best incentive.

(12-03-2015, 05:22 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: About the other matter (police-smuggler relations): It's like pirate vs trader games, predator vs prey in general, just lawfulness roles switched. I'm more than with Laura on this one, if I'd were to RP a stern, incorruptible police officer, unlike her I wouldn't let people go, because in my view incorruptible police roleplay not only doesn't consists that, but goes straight against that. And smugglers need to get used to the fact that the chance of getting caught and being shot at by lawfuls is also part of their roleplay, as well as that they may also encounter an incorruptible officer, in which case they better have bigger guns, thicker hull or quicker engines than just another excuse of a story in their pockets.[/color][/align]

(12-03-2015, 07:29 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:

Why would any smugglers want to interact with police? Isn't smuggling about delivering illegal cargo, possibly avoiding lawfuls in the process because those can be expected to try and intercept illegal cargo, thus bad for business?

Oh, wait, I know. Because of the playerbase shrinking bit by bit we are looking for more ways to force interactions in order to keep up the same amount and with that the same amount of enjoyment, slowly giving less and less crap about whether it makes sense inRP or not, totally ignoring that perhaps that may also be an important factor in the enjoyment of certain people.

Yeah, good luck fitting an activity all about avoiding contact with lawfuls in a scheme like this. When do we want to force pirates letting traders go in order not to discourage people from trading with bad experiences? How far do we really want to go at this?

(12-03-2015, 08:20 PM)Laura C. Wrote:

(12-03-2015, 03:50 PM)Croft Wrote: If you want to take the hard route then only demand the amount your ship can carry but it is no sillier than a pirate asking for only a quarter of a traders cargo, it is for the sake of fairness and something we have already accepted, being lawful or unlawful should not diminish that fact. Nor am I suggesting you let every single smuggler pass through, as I said reward the good RP'ers and explain what the lacking ones did wrong, what that entails is entirely up to you.

The bottom line is you cannot expect to play the constant arm of the law, ruthlessly stopping all smuggling and then turn around wondering why all your activity has dried up, putting another route down won't fix much, you only need to see the lack of traders and pirates to know that credit earning isn't always the best incentive.

There is crucial difference - pirate´s goal is to rob as many cargo as possible so he can sell it and earn credits. Cop´s/lawful´s goal is to destroy the contraband (unless it´s human contraband like slaves).

Also, this concept goes against RP really hard. I can imagine conversation with friend which I´m trying to introduce to Disco...

Me: So this is roleplay server, you pretend you are some character and act like he would in such situation. In our case, you are cop and enforce laws. Now if you meet smuggler, you stop him and you can confiscate quarter of his cargo (in harder mode, only what you can carry). Then you will let him go with the rest without fine. Applies every time, okay?

Friend: Uh, what? Real cop would never do that, why would he act like this?

Me: Because cops must be nice to smugglers.

Friend: But you said I play role of cop, and this has nothing to do with how cops work. They are not nice to smugglers and they definitely don´t let them go with contraband.

Me: Yes, but you know, we actually roleplay only to certain limit, you have to be nice to smuggler players.

Friend: This really doesn´t sound like RP server. Are you sure you know what RP is?

(12-03-2015, 08:55 PM)Croft Wrote: There is no defined way of smuggling, just the modus operandi to move illegal cargo, how you do it is up to you and influenced by how others treat you, see below.

(12-03-2015, 08:55 PM)Croft Wrote: Now explain to your friend why his smuggler character must be never seen, never caught and only ever talk to the seldom few unlawfuls who hang around their bases. Tell them if they are ever caught be the police all the cargo must be removed and a fine given. Show me the other side of the fence.

Quote:Yeah, good luck fitting an activity all about avoiding contact with lawfuls in a scheme like this. When do we want to force pirates letting traders go in order not to discourage people from trading with bad experiences? How far do we really want to go at this?