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Final version of new rules - Wobbly - 03-01-2007
' Wrote:carrying the weapons of this other one?
The comparison of freelancer ships to naval ships isn't always useful. A case in point is that the liner has capital ship turrets in unmodded freelancer. Why? Because in the freelancer universe, unlike modern planet earth, attacks are 100% assured, therefore non military ships in freelancer are equipped to fight while in real life they are not, so pointing out that ocean liners in real life are unarmed has no bearing on freelancer at all..
Furthermore, sea ships are not space ships. On a sea ship decks are important, in space no one is outside sunning themselves, so passengers are not inconvenienced by the presence of large capital ship turrets like they would be on an ocean liner.
Final version of new rules - BestFlyerHere - 03-01-2007
...Sighs...
Quote:A case in point is that the liner has capital ship turrets in unmodded freelancer
You have stated this about ten times. Even Igiss has said that FL had bugs in it unmodded, and Discovery is addressing those. It doesn't matter what it was in vanilla FL, we're in Discovery. Discovery is meant to fix the bugs in Discovery. We've done that, and Igiss has told you he won't change it, so just give it up. Igiss has the final say, and he has spoken. Or, do you want to go the "UBER-LYNER-PWNG MOD!! W00T!"
Final version of new rules - Wobbly - 03-01-2007
' Wrote:...Sighs...
You have stated this about ten times. Even Igiss has said that FL had bugs in it unmodded
The liner in unmodded freelancer was not a bug and I don't think Igiss ever said it was.
What I want is a liner that makes sense to me, not one downsized to less than a gunboat for no reason that makes logical sense that I have seen posted.
Final version of new rules - Dab - 03-01-2007
' Wrote:You want original FL-Liners? Alright, lets give the thing 11 turrets. Those would be 11 turrets doing 160 hull, and 80 shield damage. No shield, barely as much power as the Titan, no agility, and the armor of the current bombers. You want original, than there it is.
All I have to say to you Wobbly. Read it this time.
Final version of new rules - Wobbly - 03-01-2007
' Wrote:All I have to say to you Wobbly. Read it this time.
Has something changed since last time?
Where did I say I wanted the original liner? I want a liner that reflects the original in the same way the liberty navy cap ships reflect their originals. That's simple enough, right?
Final version of new rules - Dab - 03-01-2007
' Wrote:The liner should reflect what it is in original FL, where it is a cross between a cruiser and BS in power.
Seems your saying you want the original type of Liner.. Which wasn't anywhere NEAR between the BS and Cruiser. It was weaker than the original gunboats. I've done the 1.00 version SP 4 times. I know which is stronger than which.
Best to worst
Battleship
Frigates (Discovery)
Cruisers
Gunboats
Luxury Liners
Stations
VHF
HF
Freighter
LF
Final version of new rules - Wobbly - 03-01-2007
' Wrote:Which wasn't anywhere NEAR between the BS and Cruiser. It was weaker than the original gunboats. I've done the 1.00 version SP 4 times. I know which is stronger than which.
Best to worst
Battleship
Frigates (Discovery)
Cruisers
Gunboats
Luxury Liners
Stations
VHF
HF
Freighter
LF
How do you rank those in unmodded FL? I've looked at the ini files, gunboats have 1/10th the hull of a liner, only six guns/turrets, and base damage is 51.
Final version of new rules - Qunitinius~Verginix - 03-01-2007
Wobbly! I don't think you get it! A luxury Liner is not going to fly off and start shooting up Capital ships. The Liner XT-17 or whatever got killed by Liberty Rogues! in BLOODHOUNDS! Gasp! they were In Sabres or Titans, bloodhounds!. Really, they are weak. They are built with guns so that they have a chance of killing one or two pirates before the police arrive.
And yes Look at Korrds Pictures. There is ALLWAYS a chance of attack in Freelancer, so they stick the battleships with more guns then you would ever see on a modern day ship. They lso stuck a few measly turrets on the liners to the Prisoners/Passengers don't die and they get their monies worth.
And I see you hvaen't made any comments on my theory of the structural support. Thats because, a liner is NOT a Combat vessel and It would DIE if faced to one such as a cruiser or battleship.
Verginix out
Final version of new rules - Wobbly - 03-01-2007
' Wrote:Wobbly! I don't think you get it! A luxury Liner is not going to fly off and start shooting up Capital ships. The Liner XT-17 or whatever got killed by Liberty Rogues! in BLOODHOUNDS!
Wasn't that a prison ship and not a liner, or are you talking about something else?
And a rhiendland cruiser was destroyed by a couple fighters with two torpedo's, right? Not to mention an entire station.
So using your argument cruisers should be significantly nerfed, right?
' Wrote:And yes Look at Korrds Pictures. There is ALLWAYS a chance of attack in Freelancer, so they stick the battleships with more guns then you would ever see on a modern day ship. They lso stuck a few measly turrets on the liners to the Prisoners/Passengers don't die and they get their monies worth.
Actually the liner has more turrets than the BS, and they are cap turrets. Misrepresenting facts doesn't make an argument valid. The liner in unmodded freelancer is a significant force of capital ship power.
' Wrote:And I see you hvaen't made any comments on my theory of the structural support. Thats because, a liner is NOT a Combat vessel and It would DIE if faced to one such as a cruiser or battleship.
Actually I did make comments on it, and a liner in freelancer is a combat vessel, virtually all freelancer vessels are built for combat.
As far as structure, there are not any significant structural differences between military ships and civilian ones.
Final version of new rules - Dab - 03-01-2007
Wobbly, did you not hear Igiss, the mod creator and HEAD ADMIN, tell you to stop? I'd stop if I were you.