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Decrease Fighter class Bots capacity,increase bats capacity. - X-Lancer - 06-09-2008
as every one known.......fighter vs fighter it could never end or it last very long..
because Fighter class ship have so much B/B compare to their hull...a VHF usually have 60~70 bots..that's about 36000~42000 extra hull..for bomber usually have more 80 bots..that's 48000+ extra hull....and Fighter class ship shouldn't have such self repair ability (can repair its self may be 50% hull max..)..they repair on Carrier or a base..
PS: decrease GB's bots capacity increase bats capacity too...a Gunboat just like a 2~3 men fighter.....(BHG Gunship is like only can fit 1 man in it..)..
Decrease Fighter class Bots capacity,increase bats capacity. - Tenacity - 06-09-2008
/signed
Most VHF's/bombers in the mod can 'recharge' their shields and hull 4-5 times minimum, some can recharge more than that.
Gunboats... Not so much. Back when I flew my liberty gunboat with a MkVIII armor upgrade, I got a single shield recharge from bots (all 350 bots drained for one shield refill, and it wasnt even a full one at that), and I could get around one and a half hull regens from bots before I was out.
For the most part, transports/capships are balanced when it comes to bots/bats, they get a single regen for shields and hull, maybe a little extra, and that's it.
Decrease Fighter class Bots capacity,increase bats capacity. - ScornStar - 06-09-2008
When you consider how many times a Bomber can heal it seems to be like a Gun boat with super cannons on it thats hard to hit.
Decrease Fighter class Bots capacity,increase bats capacity. - AdamantineFist - 06-10-2008
' Wrote:When you consider how many times a Bomber can heal it seems to be like a Gun boat with super cannons on it thats hard to hit.
Obviously you've never flown a Spatial. It has 300 B/B. 300. I ran across an entire system with someone firing on me and didn't die. Got halfway across the next system before they killed me. Oh, and I wasn't really dodging much, either.
Decrease Fighter class Bots capacity,increase bats capacity. - Tenacity - 06-10-2008
' Wrote:Obviously you've never flown a Spatial. It has 300 B/B. 300. I ran across an entire system with someone firing on me and didn't die. Got halfway across the next system before they killed me. Oh, and I wasn't really dodging much, either.
they must not have had much firepower then.
The spatial is so big even an LPI could hit it.
Decrease Fighter class Bots capacity,increase bats capacity. - AdamantineFist - 06-10-2008
Nah, it was more that I could raise my shield something like 20 times.
Decrease Fighter class Bots capacity,increase bats capacity. - chovynz - 06-10-2008
I'm against lowering it.
Fighters need all the help they can get when
a bomber or Capship comes around.
If we lower it the fighters...will die in an even shorter 1 hit kill time..
if thats possible...
Decrease Fighter class Bots capacity,increase bats capacity. - gezza999 - 06-10-2008
Lower it for fighters, lower it for everything else too.
Just lowering it for fighters makes it a teeny weeny bit uneven.
And, it'd be best done in percentages, i.e. if we lower fighter bot/ bat count by 50%, lower everything else's count by 50% too.
Decrease Fighter class Bots capacity,increase bats capacity. - El Nino - 06-10-2008
Great... making them even at 300 should be about alright, but how would capital fights go then is anybody's guess... probably shields would become a bit more important,... Infernos spamming and such..
Fighters should be a priority though, as things stand fighters are one man armies,... a fighter battle should take something like 5 minutes. Perhaps 10 if fully upgraded... anything more is overkill...
My recent survivability example goes as... Xeno Bomber (me) was flying to get a new ship, (a freighter) and i run in to a gunboat... i already sold my shield, supernova, so i had like lvl 4 hf shields... mk8 armor though was still on, the guy viciously engaged me in a gunboat... distrupting and everything... I surrendered so we stoped fighting, and he ordered me to stop running, i told him to make his demands... he then proceeded to "Have a nice day!" and blasting at me with cerebs and 7 order turrets.... all that at point blank while i was typing and holding still... Do you think i died? NO, i didn't i just pressed F and G, and blazed off in to the sunset... poor Junker pursuing me with out as much as a chance,...
In the history of mankind armor and firepower development followed eachother closeley... It seems in Sirius things are a little bit diffrent,... *What is that hull damage, No problem... botts attack!, and he drinks the magic potion of healing*
It is my understanding that armor upgrade also upgrades your nannobotts... and to get a vanilla feal to the game again we'd need to lower the capacity by 2 (or even 2.5)
And with the botts being able to repair the whole ship... why does a fighter cost 2M when you could order the botts to make it for 20k...?
//Spatial is just like it should be, a big target, with plenty of regen, something to keep you alive in radiation fields, against nomads and such... you can hardly win a serius battle due to it's size thou...
Decrease Fighter class Bots capacity,increase bats capacity. - JohnLenin - 06-10-2008
All of this came up earlier too.
Lots of players agreed (the other half didn't) that Bots should only be available for Caps (I'd say Cruiser++).
It is quite realistic that Caps host a bunch of repair droids although they wouldn't bring an instant heal effect like Bots.
For fighters/bombers(/gunboats?) I find it unrealistic (as much as it is possible in a fiction ;-) ).
So I would go for no Bots on nonCaps, or at most ~10 of them - you can repair scratches and a loose junction but nothing more serious.