-keep out of omicron 100!-

[Baltar]

I didnt choose it.

I never set foot in omicron 100 other than to explore before I originally made this post. The reason I stepped up and started blasting smugglers and others in the system was because black squadron claimed to be getting tired of such players using our space as a shortcut, and there are very rarely black squadron members online and available to sit around and guard a system. <-- Sounds like Black Squadron's problem ... not yours. Oh ... the woe's of owning a system. Gotta deal with the trespassers. If you can't do it yourself ... take whoever will lend a hand.

Because nobody else was around to do the job, I started to. Since then, more independent and Bs members have started helping me out, patrolling the system when I'm not around or online. <-- Yup ... I've got an indie there too. But my concern is regarding all those bounty hunters that use Omicron Minor as a transit from Liberty to the Omicrons. Hmm ... now those guys are "specifically" listed in the Order enemy list.

Trust me, Ill prefer to RP over pvp any day, but when it comes to defending a guard system I dont dick around. if you're there without authorization, you get warned and shot at if you do not heed that warning. 9 out of 10 smugglers and others that I warn in that system never have an inkling of RP to them, they just keep trying to fire up cruise engines and pretend I'm not there, until they die - at which point they turn around and do exactly what you're doing here - Bitch that I'm OORP because I shot at them when they didnt want to get shot at. I'm sorry, but you arent allowed free access to every system in the game no matter what faction you're a part of. If you go into a system you shouldnt be in, you should EXPECT to get shot.
I wont disagree with that, when I had a blood dragon character I did my best to stop the diamond/niobium traders that kept going through chugoku. <-- Warnings? You've been arguing this whole time that you KOS these guys. Now you're warning them. You truly have a dizzying way of thinking. So which is it ... do you KOS them or do you warn them and give them sufficient time to respond? You've been arguing with me this entire time that you would kill them the second they entered 100. And my WHOLE argument was that you avoid KOS and instead role play with them and give them the opportunity to respond. Of course ... if they don't respond as expected ... THEN take em out. Thank you for finally getting my argument. And you're not OORP for shooting at them ... you're only OORP if you do not demand the trader leave ... or if he's got contraband ... do drop his cargo. If you just kill him because he's there ... that's OORP. But if you give him warning to leave and he doesn't ... and then you open fire ... no issues there.

however, I dont have that character anymore - I have an order character. Sigma 13 is not a system of interest to the order, and as such It's not a system i'm going to go out of my way to patrol. I'll stick to omicron 100/minor when it comes to stopping smugglers and traders that shouldnt be there - if you've got complaints about the niobium/diamond trade, deal with it yourself! <-- ROFLMAO ... That's what I've been doing ... I've been dealing with it myself. But I'm not initiating any forum discussions calling for sanctions for traders being OORP traveling there. Now there have been threads on this ... and I've responded to them ... but I'm not initiating them. Instead ... I take these traders on and deal with the OORP trading by doing some RP pirating of them. And I've also gotta deal with the OORP bounty hunters who seem to be friendly with Junkers to the point they dock at Yanagi. Yanagi missions by the way include missions against bounty hunters. I deal with it ... trust me.

smugglers moving through omicron 100 are given that order. I do not take the same approach to people in that system that I do while I'm in omicron 100, as Minor is not restricted/classified territory. Anyone trying to go through minor is directed towards the delta jump hole. If they try to enter alaska, I wont stop them... but they'd better be prepared to deal with liberty when they get through. If they try to enter omicron 100, they die. <-- So do they die immediately or get that warning you mentioned above?

Omicron 100 is not a standard system, I've said this over and over and over again and you refuse to listen. I'm not going to argue the point further - if you dont like how I do things that's fine, but you're not going to stop me from doing it. <-- I'm listening ... but Omicron 100 is no different than Virginia, Puerto Rico, Cassini, Vespucci, etc. Vespucci is a Lane Hacker guard system which is where you can purchase the Spyglass. This ship is coveted (or at least it was) by many non-Lane Hackers. Guess what ... its a secret ship like the Osiris. Oh ... and the Admins ruled that the Lane Hacker faction at the time (the HF) could not claim ownership of that vessel ... they had to let others come in and purchase it if they so chose. EVEN THOUGH THE HF OWNED VESPUCCI. Like I said ... about 10% of the server population dominates 90% of "accepted" role play. Everybody else that wants to role play their way has to just eat dirt and go to the corner and color.

Yes, it's a self imposed rank, and along with it I have self imposed restrictions. I dont powerplay. <-- Yes ... you powerplay fairly well.

You want to complain about people using capships or 'giving themselves' ranks? Direct it at all the players running around in battleships that dont have any idea how to RP and call themselves fleet admirals. <-- I've done this in the past ... where were you? Oh ... that 10% told me to go color.

I have several threads running in the story/bio sections explaining how my character came to be where she's at, and hinting at where she's going. That implies time and effort, and an idea of how RP works - I RP'd on this server for a good month as a junker before ever getting a capship on any character - I've earned my position as much as any of the idiots running around in factions or battleships. <-- I've been on this server for about a year and a half now and still don't have anything larger than a gunboat. Oh ... I used to have an Outcast Destroyer at one point. I've seen factions come and go ... I've seen characters born and die. And I've seen many that role play in the forums but PVP in-game. Story lines and bios are great ... but if you cannot role play in the game itself ... what's the point. It gets real old seeing folks say, "I stole this ship from an Outcast. I'm a Liberty spy who was able to commandeer this vessel." Sorry ... but I don't buy that line of role play.

Oh you have no idea, I mean I can go around ordering war against the rest of sirius with no implications whatsoever! Everyone has to follow every little thing I say, like I'm some kind of god... oh wait, I am!

/sarcasm.

I command in the absence of higher ranked individuals, and I bow down to their commands when they're around. I'm sorry that players arent on the server 24/7 to create a real chain of command, so we have to work around it. <-- Sure ... I suppose I will as well while Bs| is on vacation. Here's a solution. Since Bs| ... and many other factions ... are in different time zones ... how do you expect the rest of the world to operate? This is a British server and lots of players are British or American ... and there's a few that play on the complete opposite side of the globe. If Bs| is not online because they are 12 hours different from me ... why don't we just say Omicron 100 belongs to Bs| from 0000 to 1159 and its open to everyone else from 1200-2359 (or some division line based on when the are awake and online)? I cannot role play with someone who is asleep. So ... either we get some Bs| members (and others from other factions) that we can role play with ... or we drop this whole thing. If a faction is not awake when I'm online ... then to me they do not exist. I cannot role play with NPCs and sleeping players.

I'm not unreasonable in that regard either. If I see low ranked Bs| or independent order vessels doing nothing but sitting above toledo all day long, I'll give them simple assignments that make things fun and productive for -everyone-, things like "hey, go check out omicron delta for threats." Or "make a patrol around the system to check for hostiles." <-- Bs| regardless of their rank do in fact outrank any indie present. There's no way a civilian can take charge of a platoon of infantry just because the Lieutenant is asleep or away on business. Sorry ... but the Sargent takes over ... its called the chain of command. And the only civilian that can order the military around is the civilian government (if one exists).

You dont get to stick around in the military when you blatantly defy orders from a superior. It isnt an OoRP attack to knock some sense into your head if you choose to do so, unless the orders are unreasonable in some regard. <-- True ... you are relieved of your command ... its called getting demoted or discharged. If you have a faction member that doesn't follow instructions ... demote him and make him sell his gunboat for a VHF. If he doesn't comply ... discharge him from the faction and notify the Admins to remove the faction tag from his name.

[stone]

The only people in disagreement here are the people who are OORP by using that smuggling route to begin with. They're just pissed that they cant get a free pass from new york to alpha anymore.

Im not disagreeing i think you have every reason to shot me down for entering the system thats on of the reasons i go threw there for the fun and RP interaction! :) And whether its OORP for my smuggler to go there or not is up for debate but its in my Chars RP to be a explorer and to stick to deep space so..well whatever this is not the place for stating my smugglers RP.:nono:

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[Tenacity]

Warnings? You've been arguing this whole time that you KOS these guys. Now you're warning them. You truly have a dizzying way of thinking. So which is it ... do you KOS them or do you warn them and give them sufficient time to respond? You've been arguing with me this entire time that you would kill them the second they entered 100. And my WHOLE argument was that you avoid KOS and instead role play with them and give them the opportunity to respond. Of course ... if they don't respond as expected ... THEN take em out. Thank you for finally getting my argument. And you're not OORP for shooting at them ... you're only OORP if you do not demand the trader leave ... or if he's got contraband ... do drop his cargo. If you just kill him because he's there ... that's OORP. But if you give him warning to leave and he doesn't ... and then you open fire ... no issues there.

I explained this fairly early on:

-If it's the first time we've seen them violate the system, they are very strictly told to turn around and get out the way they came.
-If they've been there before (and MOST of the players I encounter there are repeat violators) they're KOS'd. If you get killed there once because you refuse to heed warnings, you should expect the same every time you enter thereafter - at that point you're just testing our patience and being stubborn.

As for dropping cargo, not going to happen. If they've got contraband they take it out of the system with them. If they refuse, they're destroyed. I dont want a bunch of cardamine cans floating around our system littering the place. All contraband that is dropped from dead smugglers is destroyed in space.

ROFLMAO ... That's what I've been doing ... I've been dealing with it myself. But I'm not initiating any forum discussions calling for sanctions for traders being OORP traveling there. Now there have been threads on this ... and I've responded to them ... but I'm not initiating them. Instead ... I take these traders on and deal with the OORP trading by doing some RP pirating of them. And I've also gotta deal with the OORP bounty hunters who seem to be friendly with Junkers to the point they dock at Yanagi. Yanagi missions by the way include missions against bounty hunters. I deal with it ... trust me.

Neither am I. The only people I was warning with sanction reports are those who go into the system with improper faction rep (meaning, they get nuetral to the guard NPC's so they can use the system without being hassled by those npc's).

I've been on this server for about a year and a half now and still don't have anything larger than a gunboat. Oh ... I used to have an Outcast Destroyer at one point. I've seen factions come and go ... I've seen characters born and die. And I've seen many that role play in the forums but PVP in-game. Story lines and bios are great ... but if you cannot role play in the game itself ... what's the point. It gets real old seeing folks say, "I stole this ship from an Outcast. I'm a Liberty spy who was able to commandeer this vessel." Sorry ... but I don't buy that line of role play.

If you want to stick to smaller ships, that's great. I wish more people did. I prefer gunboat class vessels far above cruisers and battleships - the ONLY reason I'm using the zoner destroyer right now is as a 'placeholder' until I can use the zoner gunboat being put into 4.85. Trust me, if there were really a proper gunboat for my character I'd be using that right now - it's more manuverable, travels through fields better, and it's inexpensive.

A lot of people said "use the corsair GB!!!" - no. That vessel does not look like it belongs in the order. It's a rustbucket, not a high tech machine.

Therefor, I chose to work my ass off to get the destroyer temporarily so I could work on my RP as a member of the order - and get things explored - while waiting for the gunboat to be added to the game.

Bs| regardless of their rank do in fact outrank any indie present. There's no way a civilian can take charge of a platoon of infantry just because the Lieutenant is asleep or away on business. Sorry ... but the Sargent takes over ... its called the chain of command. And the only civilian that can order the military around is the civilian government (if one exists).

And what leads you to assume that an order player, with an order tag and order ID, flying an established vessel, is a 'civilian'?

That's just as bad as all of the [SA] idiots calling independents spies and traitors. Just because you arent in a faction does not mean you're the dirt under everyone else's boots.

I stick to my rank. If a Bs| member doesnt want to follow my orders they dont have to, but I'm not telling them to fling their ships against liberty dreadnaughts in needless sacrafice. Look at my "Operation Icebreaker" post - I lead an unscheduled RP event with both independent and Black squadron players, and the event turned out quite successful. -I- commanded the group, and nobody had any problems with it, because I did a damn good job of it.

If you act like a dick all the time, that's how players will treat you. When I'm in-game, my character does not act like a tyrant, I follow the chain of command and I make reasonable decisions as any ship commander would do. People respect my character for that - if an independent came along trying to powerplay a fleet admiral and force everyone else to follow his orders, they would NOT respect him, because he did not prove himself to be a capable player and RP'er.



And please, quit putting your replies inside of a post, it seriously hurts the eyes trying to read what you've typed.

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