Something about the ''good old OC-CO activity'' that is often forgotten

[Sol]

A lot of you? Did we play in an alternate universe before?

I agree with Joe.

101st in Jameson's time had done nothing beneficial, and the atmosphere they created was simply awful to play with. The one that came after him tried hard to solve the many problems he created, the rift that was created between players and such, and was doing rather okay, but he did not stay and try for long.

The fact that he was not Jameson, that he wanted to fix those problems and 'revive' the faction with a friendly environment made people like him and assist him a lot.

And the hate... It sucked. It was not an atmosphere you'd want to play in, you were just forced to play in because there were so many little children playing the game. And it was simply everywhere...

I do not see why people try to find these strange reasons for disco's decline while it's simply an old game and no longer interesting enough to compete newer games.

[Marabu]

He ruined the morale within his own faction by referring to its members as "leeches and parasites" to their face.

Well it looks like there are people who strongly disagree. I once (actually twice, second time was another game) was under a faction leader who called us all kind of things that would be against forum rules to spell out here. In both cases, we knew that it was his way of saying that he loved us, and we loved him back for it. The only few people who chose to object to the use of these terrible words were people who were not targeted by them, but who were just looking for things to nag about him as a person.

To be more clear: The important thing is what you say, and and less how you say it.

There are people who make sleazy compliments, let no naughty or bad word ever cross their lips, talk incessantly about how they will abolish evil from the world, and make every word smell like a bouquet of flowers. For those who don't know what they're talking about. But if you know what they're talking about you'll know that they are being condescending, insulting, rude, dishonest, and they intentionally leave no doubt that they absolutely loathe you, will try to belittle you in every way, and will never even come close to considering speaking on an eye to eye level let alone speak an honest word to you. Me, I prefer people who are straight forward. That's what my mates and me liked about those two aforementioned faction leaders. It's also the reason I seem to dislike some people of which others are convinced that they are absolute saints.

There were, in both factions, groups of people who cross-factioned, laughed and joked together and enjoyed the whole competition thing, without resorting to thinking of the other guy as a lesser person OoRP.

There were also idiots who believed that the "other guys" were the scum of the earth. These people did more to harm the nature and frequency of the fights than anything else. It was vicious and vindictive behaviour oorp that made the environment there suck. As a result, people looked elsewhere.

101st in Jameson's time had done nothing beneficial, and the atmosphere they created was simply awful to play with.

And the hate... It sucked. It was not an atmosphere you'd want to play in, you were just forced to play in because there were so many little children playing the game. And it was simply everywhere...

There still is hate all over the place, at least there was in the last few years. Just look ingame, and read back in post-4.84 faction feedback or other threads, you'll find lots of it, just maybe less between OC and Corsairs. Now the hate is more between the alpha-dogs and the underdogs, and between people who shouldn't actually be enemies IRP. Official vs indies of the same faction, Order vs Zoner, Corsair vs Zoner, Corsair vs Order, LN vs Junkers, GRN vs RNS, LR vs indy pirates, LR vs OC, TAZ+OSI vs ZA, CL vs 101st, and now the new thing is apparently JM vs Congress.

Most of the time it starts as rivalry over activity (the alpha-dogs feel threatened by raised underdog activity and successes), then some disdainful remarks about how the underdogs are doing everything wrong, then some backlash about how the underdogs feel like they're being stabbed in the back by cross-factioning alpha-dogs who should be their allies, then open conflict, then underdogs leaving, getting banned, or trying to build up again only to be met with the next conflict.

To me, a scenario where the conflicts are kept IRP, and where people gain from helping their IRP nooby ally instead of gaining from backstabbing him for the benefit of a fellow alpha-dog, seems a much better environment.

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[Sol]

Well... why do you think what you say did not exist before along with the hate between factions?

In fact, it was a lot worse, and it's a big part about my complaint regarding those 'good old days' as well. The underdogs and alpha-dogs, indies and officials, rpwhores and pvpwhores, that thing happened all the time.

Most of the time it starts as rivalry over activity (the alpha-dogs feel threatened by raised underdog activity and successes), then some disdainful remarks about how the underdogs are doing everything wrong, then some backlash about how the underdogs feel like they're being stabbed in the back by cross-factioning alpha-dogs who should be their allies, then open conflict, then underdogs leaving, getting banned, or trying to build up again only to be met with the next conflict.

Exactly what happened then.

It does not seem like one negative thing would replace the other. They do fairly well together.

To me, a scenario where the conflicts are kept IRP, and where people gain from helping their IRP nooby ally instead of gaining from backstabbing him for the benefit of a fellow alpha-dog, seems a much better environment.

Surely was not the case. The problem was that it did not remain in RP, it was about people hating each other and acting like as if the game is a crusade or jihad to kill the other faction or something.

It would be rather hard to play with IMG, for example, while having a pretty known outcast character. You'd just be hated as a player by some of them.

Surely there would be backstabbing. People would not form friendships or share skype channels or factions or whatever. And if they did, as some players would then sneak into a faction or something without their knowledge, there would then be a proper backstabbing and spying.

It's funny.

[Marabu]

There will always be people who will not form friendships with certain other people. Some of you sound like you wouldn't want to make friends with Jameson, which will of course also always be the other person's fault. I don't think that backstabbing didn't exist back then, I just think that the backstabbing that we have now, disguised as "fair play" when it's really all about "I like the other guy better than you so I hope you die", is really any better than what was happening back then. Just that what he described was member of a RP faction vs member of a RP faction, now it's forum/skype friend vs non forum/skype friend regardless of faction alignment. If the hatred is solely based on RP faction alignment, the hatred is less personal. You know, like its less of a personal attack if your game adversary tackles you, than if your own team mate tackles you. One is part of the game, one isn't.

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[Sol]

I guess someone tackled you lately, creating a deep impression.

[Marabu]

Not really. I just think there's about 100 times more bad vibes created by people who complain about shooting than there is created by shooting.

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[The.Outlaw.Star]

Yea yea yea i get it but OMG those battles where so freakin Epic man! who cares about feelings ppl will get over it *laughs* but yes i remember ppl getting very very butt hurt.

Its just sad how i dont see that level of dedication anymore. i wish i still had some of my Videos from those battles of like 10v10 alot of times even more! Now this only happens if organized on the forums (Lame) before you could log on and within 10mins get enough ppl together to raid Malta or Gamma.

ah well let the past be the past we will make new battles with new problems.

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[Highland Laddie]

Maybe all that "butt hurt" has kept all those people (the good ones) from.coming back to a server where all they got for their effort was anger and frustration.

[Sabru]

There still is hate all over the place, at least there was in the last few years. Just look ingame, and read back in post-4.84 faction feedback or other threads, you'll find lots of it, just maybe less between OC and Corsairs. Now the hate is more between the alpha-dogs and the underdogs, and between people who shouldn't actually be enemies IRP. Official vs indies of the same faction, Order vs Zoner, Corsair vs Zoner, Corsair vs Order, LN vs Junkers, GRN vs RNS, LR vs indy pirates, LR vs OC, TAZ+OSI vs ZA, CL vs 101st, and now the new thing is apparently JM vs Congress.

You missed one. GRN vs TAZ. (though the hate seems to be one-sided coming from GRN and gallic indies)

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