Yet again about the ships

[tansytansey]

Why is there cap 8 armor upgrade then? because such things promote silent running PT´s. Also, it is about skill.

I don't think I could remember how many Cap 7/8 Gunboats I killed with my AU8 armour Gunboat. Way too many:)

And no matter how much you claim the no end be all stuff, a bunch of highly skilled PVPers with smalls and one gunboat can vaporize entire fleet of LNS who are beginners. Bunch of flies, be them fighters, taking on a mighty battleship that is supposed to be weapon of mass destruction.

Know why? Fighters and Bombers are have a smaller learning curve than Capital Ships. There are fewer skilled capital ship pilots than there are Fighter/Bomber pilots.
And also, tell me why you think a group of skilled players in fighters/bombers should be beaten by a bunch of noobs in Capital Ships? That's not right, that's not balance. "Because it's roleplay wah wah wah" stop using that stupid excuse.

PVP = ROLEPLAY they are one in the same, one cannot exist without the other.

You do miss the point. Re-read it entirely please, what I ask about is to have ships fulfill their roles more accurately for sake of roleplay.

You're suggesting PVP balnace changes to a PVP enviroment for the "sake of roleplay" I don't know about you but I've been roleplaying fine for the past 3 or 4 years fine with the current system of balance. Why can't you?

Why all like you get here with just PVP in their mind? I do not get that part really. I presume it is better for someone to be able to out-do anybody with their happy tree friends bunch, well I would certainly not mind a game where tactics would matter, instead of better equipment and skill. teamwork promotes roleplay much more, then elitist approach.

Because the changes you suggest heavily affect PVP, they don't affect roleplay at all. You may have made this thread with Roleplay in mind, but the fact of the matter is, this affects PVP. PVP is just as important on this server as Roleplay, remember that.

So do not take on the ship? Ego hurt or what? Does that mean that simply because I cannot take on battleship with three fighters now, ill go whiny-mode? That it does and frankly, it is fine for me.

This sentance makes no sense to me what so ever.

But I do enjoy how you conveniently ignored every point I made as to why this idea is a bad decision. It's probably because you have no depth to your argument, and have nothing to counter my argument with. Right now it seems to consist of "becuz roleplay and pvp is bad"

So I'll say it again.

PVP is as much a part of Discovery as Roleplay.

Waaat? Ever try antisnubbing in a razor pulse Claymore? Try it versus a snub pilot with half a brain and let me know how it went.:D

Don't blame the Gunboat or Weapon loadout for your own inadequancies.

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[5:50:49 PM] JakeSG (William Darkmoor) says: I like you, Ashes. You're more cynical than God.

[CzeReptile]

Much interesting to see opinion of general public being leaned 2:1 towards bomber being a larger craft, with enough armor and far more powerful weaponry. Admittedly what Jinx said is a good option on how to balance them in the class itself by dividing into three, because as pointed before, bomber with the capkiller torpedo would be just too awesome or too useless against transports for example and definitely useless against fighters, which is the key after all and what lighter bombers should be capable of (ie fighting fighters a bit).

Also after reading some arguments the SRP part on battleships might be little too much tho some restrictions would be needed, but with a little altered weaponry, people would realize fast that battleships are sucky sucky against anything small.

And final point - seems about equal number of folks wanna have ships more useful by class then by name. While being a wish, I am glad to see I aint alone in my view. Ability to see a wolfpack of bombers just staying 20k out of battle and waiting for enemy battleship to make mistake and do a torpedo run on it...lovely.

More suggestions and such welcome.

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[Govedo13]

Single bomber with screamers, 4 EMP guns, SNAC and CD can kill even cruiser if flown properly.

For battleship, two are enough.

Yet again, stop poiting to PVP please. I am not aiming for it. Thank you.

Single bomber cant kill any of this ships if the two pilot have same level of skills.
Believe me or not I have seen cruisers smashing battleships from 4k bombing on them, I have seen battleship who doublerazored 7 yes 7 bombers in one single fight, as well I killed 2 fighters 1 bomber and one GB alone once but it doesn't mean that the bombers need to be nerfed or the gbs need to be buffed, the skill level is different so more training is the key.
Except some little flaws the ship balance is perfect as it is.
And I will try to ask you again you want balance changes that will change the way of PvP in server, how I could not discuss the PvP point since the whole discussion on the topic is about the PvP? The RP excuse is lame one, as I said in the previous post just take repair ship and RP nobody can stop you to RP, nobody will be able to kill you.
Read what Ashes said, major kudos to him. He explained better then me.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[CzeReptile]

Single bomber cant kill any of this ships if the two pilot have same level of skills.
Believe me or not I have seen cruisers smashing battleships from 4k bombing on them, I have seen battleship who doublerazored 7 yes 7 bombers in one single fight, as well I killed 2 fighters 1 bomber and one GB alone once but it doesn't mean that the bombers need to be nerfed or the gbs need to be buffed, the skill level is different so more training is the key.
Except some little flaws the ship balance is perfect as it is.
And I will try to ask you again you want balance changes that will change the way of PvP in server, how I could not discuss the PvP point since the whole discussion on the topic is about the PvP? The RP excuse is lame one, as I said in the previous post just take repair ship and RP nobody can stop you to RP, nobody will be able to kill you.
Read what Ashes said, major kudos to him. He explained better then me.

Please bother yourself to read the topic and what I wrote related to bombers. Since I much doubt youll see it, go try. I wont really waste my time trying to reply for like fifth time same thing, which you are blind to see. Go have PVP with your bomber toy and leave this topic alone if you will please thank you. You and Asho here failed to understand the point and just keep trolling with your PVP blablo. NO thanks.

You are not the kind of people I wanna play with or propose any changes for. Shoo shoo, kay?
:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

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[tansytansey]

Please bother yourself to read the topic and what I wrote related to bombers. Since I much doubt youll see it, go try. I wont really waste my time trying to reply for like fifth time same thing, which you are blind to see. Go have PVP with your bomber toy and leave this topic alone if you will please thank you. You and Asho here failed to understand the point and just keep trolling with your PVP blablo. NO thanks.

You are not the kind of people I wanna play with or propose any changes for. Shoo shoo, kay?
:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

When you propose a change that affects the entire community, you better expect that both sides of the argument are going to want their input. I'm sorry that me being realistic about your eutopian ideas doesn't suit you, but that doesn't invalidate my arguments simply because you created this thread.

Is this a discussion or not? Because so far you haven't provided any sort of debate or anything to discuss. You merely ignore posts or make a rebuttal if it goes against your will.

Just because we don't agree with your proposals, doesn't mean we're trolling. Nor does it mean we're pvpwhores, and labeling us so won't get rid of us.

These proposals affect all of us, you don't have the right to say anyone with a disagreeing point of view is not allowed to have an opinion.

You also posted "Flame away" in your opening post, suggesting you were open to critisism and negative views, however you've been less than accomodating. You are instead very narrow minded, and have generalised anyone opposed to your idea to be a pvp whoring bomber/VHF pilot.


This is the worst "discussion" thread in recent times.

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[5:50:49 PM] JakeSG (William Darkmoor) says: I like you, Ashes. You're more cynical than God.

[chopper]

Battleships - buffed, buffed and buffed. About twice as much hull, maximum of possible gun slots and use them to pwn. also SRP them. Primary role - shoot other battleships and cruiser. Slow, non bumpable, with fearsome firepower against anything that is silly enough to come close. Some anti-torpedo guns, VERY accurate and fast short range flaks to avoid silly close-fly-by by those little ones, ammo based primary guns that DO damage, explosive and whatnot shells.

You nuts? What do you wanna RP, a death star? So, your idea is that one single BS that you can buy after three days of powertrading should be able to kill everything in sight?
Why should I fly a fighter then?
Tell me, would it promote RP to see 30x more battleships then you see them now?
I've been looking at people crying exactly like you for years. In transition from 4.83 to 4.84, battleships were buffed to be 2x better.
Then from 4.84 to 4.85 they are again buffed to be much better.
And guess what, it seems they'll be better in 4.86 then they are now.
But I suppose that won't satisfy you, because you won't be able to undock with your 36gunner (instead of 16-18 now) and kill 55 people who dare to enter the same system.
Hell, you should be able to shoot them from Alaska to California.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[CzeReptile]

You nuts? What do you wanna RP, a death star? So, your idea is that one single BS that you can buy after three days of powertrading should be able to kill everything in sight?
Why should I fly a fighter then?
Tell me, would it promote RP to see 30x more battleships then you see them now?
I've been looking at people crying exactly like you for years. In transition from 4.83 to 4.84, battleships were buffed to be 2x better.
Then from 4.84 to 4.85 they are again buffed to be much better.
And guess what, it seems they'll be better in 4.86 then they are now.
But I suppose that won't satisfy you, because you won't be able to undock with your 36gunner (instead of 16-18 now) and kill 55 people who dare to enter the same system.
Hell, you should be able to shoot them from Alaska to California.

While you have lots of points, please do re-read the specifications about ability to be shoot some targets and also ability of players to obtain the battleship.

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[Zelot]

Locked at OP's request.

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