Quote:sn't this sad? Aren't we all the same under the human rights? We assisted a change of RP with Rheinland and IC, all organize and announced ... but this ... i only knew today ... and because i readed the Comms channel, yesterday i only comed here because of some messages.
Being special and inconsequential has nothing to do with being valued less as a human, however in the context of a situation some people have the power where others don't. In the real world, do you honestly think the word of a Private would be equal to the word of a General? Nope. In this situation, an Indy Zoner isn't going to have the same influence as the Leader of the OSI, TAZ or CoF, therefore why should he know. Keep in mind this knowledge is purely OORP as well, there is no In-RP reason ANY of you should know, yet we've told some of you.
Quote:" The people who know are the leaders of factions involved in the affair" Aphill sorry to use your words but .. you say all! What factions? How many ships of those factions you saw on the line?! How many ships of those factions do you see been attacked? Indie Zoners are the ones that most suffer and they aren't specials!
"As official factions - the SCRA, OSI, TAZ, and another official faction are trying to evolve the role play of our respective NPC factions. You don't need to know every single detail. Just enjoy the activity that it has created." Daedric when the Scra decides to shoot all Zoners ... like almost did and looks like is what they want, i want to see your ships there ok? This way you can also enjoy~!
I never said all. And the factions, well there's OSI, TAZ and the CoF Leaderships. I'm not sure what has been going on in Zoner Skype Chats or in general in regards to Zoners, but I'd like to make it quite clear. So clear I'll use bigger sized font. WE HAVEN'T KILLED ANYONE OR ANYTHING.
Repeat that to yourself a few times so it sinks it...
No, we have not shot at any Zoners, no we have not destroyed any of your bases, yet some of you continue to waltz into this thread and unleash a wall of whine when really, we haven't actually done much of anything except RP.
If the SCRA decides to shoot Zoners, I'll lose more than you will. I'll likely lose a character who I've role played for three years. Why? Because he was the one who managed to get the SCRA to leave 49 peacefully. He is the one in Omega-52 trying to figure out what is going on and prevent any bloodshed; as is Triton of the TAZ.
So do not try to act like I have nothing to at stake here. Will you see any of my Zoner ships there? If I am online during the fighting, most likely.
As for why you don't know what is going on? You're an indy Zoner. Plain and simple. OSI and TAZ are official factions, it is our right and responsibility to guide Zoner role play. What that means is, when other factions feel like role playing something that affects Zoners as a whole, they typically come to OSI or TAZ. Via OSI and TAZ, the CoF has a voice. Via OSI and TAZ, many of you Indy players also have a voice. Notice Trogdor? He has been extremely active and vocal regarding this entire affiar. Does he know exactly what is going on? No. Should he? No. It would affect the way he role plays his character if he knew. Am I saying he would abuse the knowledge? Not at all. He is human. We all do it. That is the very reason I am not involving myself with the role play regarding the assembly of a defense force for Canaira. I know details that I might let influence my role play subconsciencly.
I'm sorry if you don't like the fact that official factions hold more sway than those, who for the most part put far less time into the factions they play, but that is how it is and how it should be.
Oh and just to reiterate it. I was online for the entire episode in 49 the other night. The SCRA didn't shoot any Zoner. They only shots they took were at two player stations to activate their shields. One of those stations happens to belong to OSI.
While the SCRA didn't inform us before hand - they did a stand up job of doing it as quickly as the role play unfolded. Even had they informed OSI and TAZ before hand it would not have stopped the Indy Zoner players from going ZonerZonerZoner as they have. If you think otherwise, I'll point you to the past.
The leaders of the SCRA, TAZ, and OSI know what is going on. We've all had input into it. The admins know what is going on. They are okay with it and some of them even support keeping most of the Indy Zoners out of the loop as doing so actually creates the effect the role play is designed for.
Do you know why any Zoner wasn't kill? Well ... acording some messages on the Comms .. and Daedric some even from Trogdor ... there almost been some shootings! http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?...pic=123997 See?! It is not me who wrote this! So according to this ... there were no shooting because Zoners had the superior firepower. According to the Lanakov report, Zoners are slavers and even i know that there even was a group of Zoners, call Zoners Against Slavery, and slaves are forbiden on Zoner bases. I een once had some RP with Doc that we attacked slavers camps and free slaves! Also the same report refers and i quote "However, the system was crowded with imposing Zoner Warships, at least 4 of them were active during my patrol. They've shown good will and friendliness, not objecting to our authority. But in the unfortunate event of an escalation, I would recommend placing an emphasis on anti-capital weapon systems during our operations in this system." The part of "in the unfortunate event of an escalation" gives a good hope!
But now i can read more ... like i said.. i had visitors yesterday and i had o play my role has host ..."As of this moment Omega-49 is to be referred to as a Coalition Protectorate rather than a Coalition Territory. The Zoners have agreed to give us their complete cooperation so long as the following two conditions are met.
1. We recognize that Omega-49 is still a Zoner Territory.
2. We cease our hostile attitudes towards Zoners."
Ahh finally.. wait ... cease our hostile attitudes towards Zoners? So you really were hostile!! Ok! Nothing new! But now there is peace and .. what?! "In other words, continue to treat Omega-49 as a Coalition territory in everything but name. Nothing changes, except the way we word things. " Well i knew it!!! It was too good to be true!!
But ok! Nothing new! I will see with my own eyes or wait for another report! So let's ... enjoy what you have planned for us!
Yes, because Gytrash and myself were rather quick to diffuse the situation via diplomacy.
' Wrote:Well ... acording some messages on the Comms .. and Daedric some even from Trogdor ... there almost been some shootings! http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?...pic=123997 See?! It is not me who wrote this! So according to this ... there were no shooting because Zoners had the superior firepower. According to the Lanakov report, Zoners are slavers and even i know that there even was a group of Zoners, call Zoners Against Slavery, and slaves are forbiden on Zoner bases. I een once had some RP with Doc that we attacked slavers camps and free slaves! Also the same report refers and i quote "However, the system was crowded with imposing Zoner Warships, at least 4 of them were active during my patrol. They've shown good will and friendliness, not objecting to our authority. But in the unfortunate event of an escalation, I would recommend placing an emphasis on anti-capital weapon systems during our operations in this system." The part of "in the unfortunate event of an escalation" gives a good hope!
But now i can read more ... like i said.. i had visitors yesterday and i had o play my role has host ..."As of this moment Omega-49 is to be referred to as a Coalition Protectorate rather than a Coalition Territory. The Zoners have agreed to give us their complete cooperation so long as the following two conditions are met.
1. We recognize that Omega-49 is still a Zoner Territory.
2. We cease our hostile attitudes towards Zoners."
Ahh finally.. wait ... cease our hostile attitudes towards Zoners? So you really were hostile!! Ok! Nothing new! But now there is peace and .. what?! "In other words, continue to treat Omega-49 as a Coalition territory in everything but name. Nothing changes, except the way we word things. " Well i knew it!!! It was too good to be true!!
But ok! Nothing new! I will see with my own eyes or wait for another report! So let's ... enjoy what you have planned for us!
I am aware there has been a few times when shooting nearly broke out. I was online during a few of them and Trogdor kept me up to date. If there is shooting, we roll with that role play. It isn't that hard.
As for the information that you pulled from the SCRA message dump. Your point? That is their role play. Your character has no knowledge of that post and thus it shouldn't even factor into your role play. It doesn't even change anything. Same as the Corsairs claim to Theta.
Hostile attitude? Of course they had a hostile attitude - ask Trogdor about it. Doesn't mean they shot anyone.
' Wrote:Protip:
Roleplay affecting everyone should not be made a secret from the vast majority of players.
Fine and dandy factions guiding roleplay.
Not so fine and dandy when it comes to planet sized scales of incredibly independent people.
Just sayin'.
Experience with CR doing similar things to this.
Experience with how ****ty it ends up.
Really? I guess the development team is doing it wrong then huh? And I guess your dear Omicroners did it wrong too aye? That's what I thought. Just here to take pot shots.
The role play isn't being kept hidden. It is role play that every indy zoner is welcome to be a part of. The cause for the role play itself is something that is being kept hidden from most people. You don't need to know it to be part of the role play.
Do you know why i went to the SCRA channel? To try to understand what was happening!
I'm not angry with any one but ... "The Zoners are a diverse group of individuals who, for various reasons, have decided to live in the wild and unregulated systems outside colonial control" Do you know this right?! tell me why the OSI and the TAZ should influence what Zoners must do or not do? If liberty or any house decide to do A and B, all members of their navies or military have to to do A and B, even the non official! But Zoners don't! For God sake not even the Corsairs that have a lot of rules and a Council of the Elders that happens or that didn't happend, because one official facion didn't entirely follow the Council, so WHY .. why if i want to pass by Omega 49.. i have to "play along"? I'm a Zoner for .. since the beginning, i also had several chars of other factions, from Corsairs to Outcast to Order and much more, but i always was a Zoner, so everything i saw about Zoners i read it, and at the end of 4.85 there was a big threat to the Zoners call Gallic Royal Navy. The TAZ were preparing to war .. even i had a char ready to send to the Taus, but you Daedric were againt it! You want peace and good relations with the GRN, and if i remember the Omicroners also were ready to help the TAZ! So ... to offcial factions ready to war, would OSI follow then if it was necessary? I bet not. So nothing happened .. i was expecting a bit more because Dab made .. i really have to say it ... a good job with Aurelia and at then end ... nothing happened!
So Daedric why i made all this? Simple, why my chars must act for something i don't know and i don't care, just bcause the only official factions decided to "have fun" this way? I'm a Zoner and if i wanted to follow orders by others i would join any House Navy or Military!
I still have one ship there, and today i passed there with my trader .. you know Zoner power trading ... yeah!! They even remove the "you can land on IMG bases" just to " you can land on the Hood" just for Zoner whales don't transport Helium3, but IC Id have no problem, because they are not power traders, they are just coorporate transports, that i s why i wrote on the IC/RM anoucement that some powertraders will end! Just some! Ans the ship i still have there is the drunk Crimson, that always have some funny thing to say when some "zoner" makes something or just because some unlawfull docked of a Zoner base, and we see someone on the forum scream that the Zoners did that or let that, and want explanations!
Like i said before ... we will see what will happen
' Wrote:tell me why the OSI and the TAZ should influence what Zoners must do or not do?
' Wrote:You're an indy Zoner. Plain and simple. OSI and TAZ are official factions, it is our right and responsibility to guide Zoner role play. What that means is, when other factions feel like role playing something that affects Zoners as a whole, they typically come to OSI or TAZ.
Faction Right 2 -
Quote:RIGHT 2) Official factions have authority over players of the same NPC affiliation, as long as RP justification is provided. This authority applies in forums and in-game, and applies to player faction diplomacy, and strategic and tactical direction.
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Official factions should strive to be the primary instigators of fun within the faction affiliation, and excel as problem solvers and conflict resolution experts when there are player difficulties.
They're involving you as much as they need to at this point. They're the official faction. Quit going all zonerzonerzoner and see where this rolls. They do not NEED to consult you on what they're doing, and as the official faction they DO have the authority to shape the Zoner role-play for ALL Zoner players.
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
I didn't say you couldn't go into the SCRA channel. I merely pointed out the info you obtain there should not have any affect on your character's role play. That is meta gaming.
OSI and TAZ get to influence what Zoners do because we are official factions and it is our right, aswell as our responsibility. That is how this server functions. You as an indy Zoner can also influence what happens by working with OSI and TAZ, just as the CoF has over the past few months.
No one is telling you, you have to play along with the role play. If you want to shoot the SCRA contrary to what both OSI and TAZ have asked; you're free to do so. Just keep in mind there will be consequences for your actions.
Judging from some of your post you still don't understand what is going on. Go read the Comm Threads. No one is saying a Zoner can't enter 49. You can. The only thing that is different than normal right now is the SCRA will likely kreig Zoner combat ships that enter 50.
The Gallic Royal Navy was no threat to Zoners. Via diplomatic talks with them, OSI was assured if all Zoners kept an attitude of non interfernce (neutral) stance with Gallia we'd be left alone. The TAZ's role play is what caused the hostile reaction from Gallia. I can't blame you for not knowing that, that role play dates back a couple years. Suffice to say, you didn't know the entire story.
Of course the Omicroners were ready to help the TAZ, it set them squarely against OSI and that is what the leaders of that faction craved. They hated OSI with an ooRP hate - not only an inRP one.
As for acting like you'd know what OSI would do, you're right we likely would not have helped because our role play is that of being neutral. TAZ was inciting the conflict with the GRN. We don't support wars, especially one where peace can be obtained, but is not due to one side inciting hostilities. We didn't support the TAZ's actions and thus we would not have stood by them in their futile fight against the GRN. Though, if you paid attention to our role play with Gallia, we were doing our best to prevent the TAZ from coming to harm. Funny how people ignore certain aspects of things just so they can preach their vision of it.
Neither OSI nor TAZ have issued any in role play orders to Zoner independants as a whole. My character gave Trogdor orders. That is the only in role play order given by either TAZ or OSI that I know of. I only gave the order because my characer and Trogdor's character know each other and Trogdor's knows it was more of a request than an order.
As I said, you're character is under no such order. Do what you want regarding the situation, just keep in mind that actions have consequences.
As for your ranting about the modification to the Zoner ID - I had nothing to do with that. Purely an admin/dev thing. Does it suck? Somewhat. Can I still play my Zoner? Yep.
As for people complaining about non Zoners using Zoner stations? Not sure why you complain; you're not the one that deals with those complaints. That typically falls to the CoF, TAZ, or OSI. Very few of you indy players bother with that type of stuff.
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