Who can use civilian guns?

[chopper]

It's an epic gravedig, I'm aware of that, I was just too bored so I started reading.
And what did I see? A bunch of lies. This deserves to be questioned!

Let's see...

Samura - Corsairs: Hostile

Ok, here's the first lie.

Samura :
ALLIES:
Kusari Police, Kusari Naval Forces

ENEMIES:
Blood Dragons, Golden C., Xenos, Criminals

Samura Industries is one of the great Kusari keiretsu -- sprawling, vertically integrated companies that control whole industries.

Look! They are not hostile! So it was a lie! Weee!

Now let's see how could they acquire such weapons.

Corsairs
ALLIES:
Corsairs, The Order, Farmers Alliance, Gaians

ENEMIES:
Outcasts, Golden C., Blood Dragons, GMG, Xenos

The Hogosha are a quasi-legal organization that ostensibly exists to promote the "welfare and prosperity of the Kusari people." Hogosha have influential agents inside Samura, Kishiro and even in the Kusari government. However, the organization is heavily dependent on the Corsair's supply of artefacts and their military power.

Yup. Corsairs can get their hands on Debilitators, my Hogosha would personally carry them to Gamma on a golden plate. Gladly.

Once again, winning comes ahead of the RolePlay that supports it.

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And I use BD and BD Bomber because the Eagle cannot fight the Chimaeras and Catamarans at all.

Yeah. So, Corsairs should use Decurions because Decurions can't beat Outcasts, but you should use BD and RCatamaran because you can't beat them in an Eagle. Got it!

And actually, Eagle can beat anything if flown properly. I guess it's your problem, not the ship one.

However, your Arwing CAN fight your enemies, the Outcasts.

Oh! So you are actually complaining because you hate seeing Tigersharks around while fighting 15vs15? You prefer seeing Arwings? It enchants your RP?
You must have fell from the sky! And I mean it in a good way.
Where were you when Outcasts were using Raven Talons instead of Sabres?
Where were you when Outcasts were using Red Catamarans instead of Falcatas?
Where were you when YOU were using a Wrath on your bundie, but dropped it for a Sabre once Sabre got better then Wrath?
Do you call that fair and RP inspiring?
Is that how you'r being objective here? It's nice, for laughs.

If its not able to be looted from a Wreck, I don't see it as acceptable. If there were a wreck out there that let people loot Imp. Debs I would be fine with the Corsairs using them. But you guys should be neutral with those Freelancer NPCs anyway, so I don't know why your killing them in the first place except that you want the Debs off them.

Nope. You kill Bounty Hunters, your Freelancer reputation goes down to red.
They come to Crete, you kill them, you take the weapons. You don't go to Theta to hunt them around FP.

Also, the SA has/had a RP deal with 2 BHG factions about this. Also, the SA is changing this loadout in the next mod version.

TBH had an RP deal with the only official IMG faction. It's the same thing.

corsairs on the other hand have absolutely no way of acquiring civ shield busters

As I already stated, they have a way of acquiring these weapons. Trough Hogosha or FA.

Would you like for me to start about the Corsair's use of the Ravens Talon and Nephthys? They are completely RP for you to use, just like BD ships are available to us. Tigershark is not.

How come? Raven Talon is also an IMG ship, just like Tigershark.
So, you are allowing us, in the name of the IMG, to use Raven Talon, but you are denying us the access to 'almighty' tigershark? Geez, thanks.

Are you implying that the admins are working or something for the outcasts? And that a great injustice has been done here?

Actually yes. And it was proven later with that Xeno-Taiidan thing. Double-standards.

Outcast allied to hackers, hackers have them made... Where do corsairs get them from?

I already stated, from Kusari. That's not the point.
Point some people tried to make here is that Corsairs have their own shield busters and they don't need any other.
Ok, if I said I agree with this.. I'd have to ask something.
Will Outcasts drop using Debilitators? They have their OWN shieldbuster, which was actually made to COUNTER a del cid line.
Why in earth's name should they be allowed to use debilitators, but not the Corsairs?
Yeah, I can see the answers. "Inferno is different and harder to use".
Well Del Cids are as well, especially on LF's. It's the same case.
Same case, double standards.

Outcasts can get them from the Lane Hackers..

It's NOT the point if you CAN or CAN'T get them, read Hoodlum's post.
Point is that you don't NEED them, because you have your OWN.
Now, if Corsairs have to use their OWN, Outcasts have to use their OWN.
Say bye bye to a CD/Mini and drop the debilitators.
Is that how we'r going to play?

Corsairs have very good level 9, as well as level 10 shieldbusters that the Outcasts have no access to.

Outcasts have Inferno which Corsairs don't have access to. Dang!

I wasn't aware they were sold by the FA, however the corsairs have a perfectly good (infact awesome) shieldbusting gun of their own, they should use it exclusively, and in the next mod we should get a lvl 8 corsair shieldbuster.

Inferno is a perfectly good (infact awesome) shieldbusting gun of Outcasts, they should use it exclusively.
Sounds familiar?

Point is, there should be no double standards. Dab was biased, as well as most Outcasts posting.
And the weirdest thing is, you didn't mind Tigersharks while you had 5-1 in your pocket.
Once the luck turned it's back to you, here we are on board instead of Omicron-Eta.

Do I have to remind you which LF's RoS used long time ago? Which VHF's?
Which bombers?

Again, sorry for the dravegig, I just wanted to clear things up a bit.
As long as Outcasts are allowed to use Debilitators, Corsairs are as well, at least as far as I'm concerned.
They both have their own shield busters, so they are in the same position.

As for the Tigershark, things are, again, very clear. It is quite obvious, after all, that this sanction was a double-standard one *points at Xeno-Taiidan affair again*.

Epic failing graivdeeg! Sorry once again!

EDIT :

Quotes don't seem to work, don't know why.:(I maybe made a mistake (since i type them manually), but it's impossible that it's my side, not a single one works.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[mjolnir]

You missed one / in the start I think. It's always like that. Just go trough it


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Anyway it is an epic gravedigg, but gives you the idea that all animals are equal but some are more equal than others.

Today my opinion is still the same:

Imp. Debs for Lane Hackers and Lawfulls only. (oh and all my >10 pirate character follow this)
Adv. Debs for everyone.

Also If you really want to note things, quite many pirate ships with forward firing turrets use Adv. Debilitator turret, which as it happens is not sold on a single unlawful base.

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And you have too little to do... go and make lvl 8 guns for everyone :P

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[Jihadjoe]

removed to avoid furthering this arguement

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[MrCynical]

*Points out to Liberty with fully BHG loadouts*

Have you ever used a Vengeance MkV? There is a lot to be said for favouring RP over PvP, but using those things in an actual fight is taking the concept too far!

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No longer active online due to a dwindling amount of non-PvP (trading, pirating, mining, etc.) fun in the new version.

[Drake]

A nearly five-month gravedig...

[ProwlerPC]

I used to actually read through these gravedigs before realizing it at the end.
I have learned to smell the foul stench of necromancy. :P
339....:laugh:

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[Cellulanus]

I have an idea! Lets remove all sheildbusters!



Actually I think I would like that idea, I could use Hornvipers and Firekisses on my RM and still beable to with PvP fights without the odds stacked hugely against me.

[sovereign]

This thread did not need to be bumped. Put it back in the earth.

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[Zig]

...there was no denying my crime. A sack full of limbs and fresh grave-soil still on my boots...

Jalbert the Necromancer, Oblivion

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Luls:

Role-play is not the be all and end all.