Should a recommended ship list exist?

[Dusty Lens]

To jump back into this soup and do some quick yammerin in reply to nOObl3t (who has adopted said name as a sort of ninja camouflage) I've little argument with many of the wild eyed rantings that Aku presses around like so many spoiled tomatoes.

I was at the front of the line of people waving their hands about the ROS utilizing Blood Dragon and Hessian ships despite being Outcasts, I seethed with disdain whenever I chanced upon another SA/LSF fellow wielding a rack of Bounty Hunter guns and I roll my eyes whenever I read another post demanding that the entirety of an NPC faction perform action X or receive the ire of person Y.

Take Praetyre for example, Aku's twin brother, who continuously states that there must be no players flying with a Rheinland Military ID and ships if they're not in the official RM faction. While he has half a leg to stand on at best it's a policy that serves to do little but stagnate and starve a region of space for good times.

On that same token, when someone jumps up and shouts that there must be zero flexibility in the system nor allowances made for anyone lest the system suddenly be deemed "unfair" I'm going to jump up again. This is an RP server, that rp is put out for something other than personal character development as opposed to qualifications to secure a bit of kit outside of the straight and narrow does chaff my bottom a it's still perfectly legit and fully within the spirit of good times RP. What's questioned is the end result of that performance, not the act itself.

This whole thread didn't begin because of a serious concern on behalf of Aku, nor any noble effort to enrichen the play experience of his fellow players. Things here got rolling the moment he attempted to walk off with a Bretonian battleship for the Blood Dragons on a foundation of the BD battleship being a less awesome ship.

Mere days after that backfired, he begins a self righteous crusade proclaiming that it's utterly unfair that anyone be granted any concessions no matter what grounds they stand on. He himself being the founder of a failed faction based on the premise of persons utilizing whatever ship they wish under one banner. His ethos is hopelessly tainted and his logic, that no one within an artificial RP universe would deign to utilize (especially in cases of factions which have no ships of their own) the kit of their allies is absurd.

I'm all for shaking things up if I reckon I stand a fair chance at making the place a better joint for the community at large. I've thrown out plenty of proposals in the past that weren't received gracefully. I think the best was my questioning how "defected" vessels piloted by captains who no longer had access to replacement vessels were managing to magically regain lost ships and equipment, I got little love on multiple fronts for that one.

Problem for most of the folks here who've really tried to put out some genuine effort; Del, Uns, others and even (I dare say) myself is that it becomes plainly obvious after a few well thought out posts and the steaming replies that are generated in turn by Aku, rampant with misquotes and naked disdain for anyone who issues a return that runs contrary to his own, that his hypocracy has little grounds in any real motive save serving his own silly pride. Hence some people flipping him over to ignore.

Whew. That was quite a few words there.

[n00bl3t]

You support some of the points he's raised but you don't believe in how he's gone about doing it? And you don't believe in the extremist views on RP, as in those held by Praetyre and Akumabito?

I can't fully understand the post, apologies if this has been misinterpreted.

Ninja camouflage? Please explain in PM. Thanks.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[bluntpencil2001]

A good post.

Dusty Lens, more than just the class clown.

Akumabito just wants to whine.

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[Dusty Lens]

You support some of the points he's raised but you don't believe in how he's gone about doing it? And you don't believe in the extremist views on RP, as in those held by Praetyre and Akumabito?

I can't fully understand the post, apologies if this has been misinterpreted.

Ninja camouflage? Please explain in PM. Thanks.

Some of the points, yes, such as those pertaining to player factions attempting to dominate such control over their respective NPC faction that they become suffocating and counter productive to the objective they wish to achieve, i.e. promoting good roleplay, instead finding themselves promoting a curious sort of civil war. To that end I have little use for extremism one way or the other and find that it serves only to diminish and combat the spirit of this place and arrpee as a whole.

One of the reasons I conduct the XA in the manner that I do, that of being a simple wing within the Xenos as opposed to some all encompassing "we are the Xenos" type affair. We try to set an example that we hope is the best we can provide and keep rolling. If you don't want to fall in, that's fine. But we're always about to help answer and questions and keep you out of the lockup if we can.

But that being said there are many points that he raises with which I strongly disagree, but find myself loath to attempt to open a sincere line of dialog yet another time in my certainty that it will dissolve into yet more pages of spin, misquotes, flames and all of the other methods through which he's conducted himself as he launches onto whatever particular soapbox suits his fancy.

PM sent.

Probably a poor post too. 2am here, sleep isn't coming so readily. Dang bother.

[Asymptotic]

Some of the points, yes, such as those pertaining to player factions attempting to dominate such control over their respective NPC faction that they become suffocating and counter productive to the objective they wish to achieve, i.e. promoting good roleplay, instead finding themselves promoting a curious sort of civil war. To that end I have little use for extremism one way or the other and find that it serves only to diminish and combat the spirit of this place and arrpee as a whole.

One of the reasons I conduct the XA in the manner that I do, that of being a simple wing within the Xenos as opposed to some all encompassing "we are the Xenos" type affair. We try to set an example that we hope is the best we can provide and keep rolling. If you don't want to fall in, that's fine. But we're always about to help answer and questions and keep you out of the lockup if we can.

But that being said there are many points that he raises with which I strongly disagree, but find myself loath to attempt to open a sincere line of dialog yet another time in my certainty that it will dissolve into yet more pages of spin, misquotes, flames and all of the other methods through which he's conducted himself as he launches onto whatever particular soapbox suits his fancy.

PM sent.

Probably a poor post too. 2am here, sleep isn't coming so readily. Dang bother.

The thing that lets me sleep at night with regard to the server is the fact that you're not breaking the rules if you buy a RM ID, buy a rheinland ship, get a tag, and then refuse to listen to the orders of the player faction, and no matter how much they bitch and moan about how "OORP" that is, they can't do anything or they do break the rules.

[Athenian]

Hello everyone living in the thread that refuses to die. Have we decided on the new recommendations?

Well the flaming stopped so that's a start. Can we try to show some restraint before we post and not show what poor social skills and patience we have?

Since I abandoned the forums for other things, I've had a great time in-game, playing, fighting, losing, planning my next moves, developing characters, having a laugh with people I know only through character names, having excellent roleplay with factions and non faction players, even finding new ways to make trading interesting. The atmosphere in game has actually improved a lot coompared to when I started on the server back in Sept 07, people are trying harder. This is when I'm on in-game, maybe all you get is fascist oppression and wannabe Judge Dredds. But some things never change: sure Bretonia is quiet as always, sure there is nonsense of all sorts, but that is life.

An argument that actually began almost three weeks ago has run a long and convoluted course with the same tactics and grievances being aired, and yes, a sincere line of dialogue has become almost impossible. It's spilling over into other aspects of the forums and community. I know it's frustrating being mis quoted and having what you write torn apart and turned against you. I know it's insulting to have insults and accusations of ignorance thrown at you, and it is equally upsetting seeing it happen to another regardless of how much they might be the architects of their own fate.

Have any of you seen the threads about how new players are being treated? Or about the abuse of PvP? The forums have become a place to air grievances, and this I would humbly submit, is just a small part of what we all are about.

What I am noticing is that the grievances have become personal, maybe not intentionally. Accusations are directed at other people, whether by name or by associatin with a group (faction or i.d.) I've been a teacher for ten years (a real teacher not like Michelle Pfeiffer or Sidney Poitier in those stupid teachery films) and I can tell you one sure-fire rule that any teacher worth his salt lives by. "Love the sinner, hate the sin". Keep criticisms to what people are doing, not to aspects of their character. Many of the posts I've read show a degree of impatience and thoughtlessness that I doubt any of us would show in real life. That's writing on the internet for you. Maybe I should make a list of recommendations for posting on the forums....

Ooh all teachery and preachery. But yeah, the list is gonna be helpful. No harm in any "recommendations". I mean people have " recommended" all sorts of things to me, like, stop smoking, or have another drink, or ask her out, or don't touch that, or you have to try this. I didn't always listen.

I tried this distraction before and I m gonna do it again.
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/
Which one are you?

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Former member of "the most paranoid group of people in the community"
Discovery Community Forum Rules

[Dennis Jameson]

All in all:



(Riverdale being this thread.)

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Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici

10/6

[n00bl3t]

The thing that lets me sleep at night with regard to the server is the fact that you're not breaking the rules if you buy a RM ID, buy a rheinland ship, get a tag, and then refuse to listen to the orders of the player faction, and no matter how much they bitch and moan about how "OORP" that is, they can't do anything or they do break the rules.

/signed. I can't sleep because I like the game though.

Hello everyone living in the thread that refuses to die. Have we decided on the new recommendations?

Well the flaming stopped so that's a start. Can we try to show some restraint before we post and not show what poor social skills and patience we have?

Since I abandoned the forums for other things, I've had a great time in-game, playing, fighting, losing, planning my next moves, developing characters, having a laugh with people I know only through character names, having excellent roleplay with factions and non faction players, even finding new ways to make trading interesting. The atmosphere in game has actually improved a lot coompared to when I started on the server back in Sept 07, people are trying harder. This is when I'm on in-game, maybe all you get is fascist oppression and wannabe Judge Dredds. But some things never change: sure Bretonia is quiet as always, sure there is nonsense of all sorts, but that is life.

An argument that actually began almost three weeks ago has run a long and convoluted course with the same tactics and grievances being aired, and yes, a sincere line of dialogue has become almost impossible. It's spilling over into other aspects of the forums and community. I know it's frustrating being mis quoted and having what you write torn apart and turned against you. I know it's insulting to have insults and accusations of ignorance thrown at you, and it is equally upsetting seeing it happen to another regardless of how much they might be the architects of their own fate.

Have any of you seen the threads about how new players are being treated? Or about the abuse of PvP? The forums have become a place to air grievances, and this I would humbly submit, is just a small part of what we all are about.

What I am noticing is that the grievances have become personal, maybe not intentionally. Accusations are directed at other people, whether by name or by associatin with a group (faction or i.d.) I've been a teacher for ten years (a real teacher not like Michelle Pfeiffer or Sidney Poitier in those stupid teachery films) and I can tell you one sure-fire rule that any teacher worth his salt lives by. "Love the sinner, hate the sin". Keep criticisms to what people are doing, not to aspects of their character. Many of the posts I've read show a degree of impatience and thoughtlessness that I doubt any of us would show in real life. That's writing on the internet for you. Maybe I should make a list of recommendations for posting on the forums....

Ooh all teachery and preachery. But yeah, the list is gonna be helpful. No harm in any "recommendations". I mean people have " recommended" all sorts of things to me, like, stop smoking, or have another drink, or ask her out, or don't touch that, or you have to try this. I didn't always listen.

I tried this distraction before and I m gonna do it again.
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/
Which one are you?

I wonder who Big Dog and me-to are?

All in all:



(Riverdale being this thread.)

Archie & Jughead comics. Awesome.
*Goes to read comics.*

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[GADC]

What is this topic?.....I'm so confused...Say you think I can have a secret monastery for Cult monks that say there peaceful but are truly terrorist that target Liberties banks and weapon shops, while seemly friendly to them when LN or LSF flies by? Where the main leader is a preacher that dips into the cardi biz and have a "confession hour" (buy/sell cardi half price).

honestly this should be close...or moved to flood.

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LEZEN GARMEN.



"This is not a revolt, this is the final solution." Garmen's Epistle

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