Sounds like alot of talkig, when what your all realy saying is there are to many caps, not enough fighters. The only real solution is make fighters and bombers beter than people will want to fly them. Right now ev eryone is in gunships and beter. But last time i was able to barely hurt even a gunship in my fighter. with mini razors and such there shield recharges as quick as my energy to fire again. Oh yea parked that ship.
Fighters/ bombers can defeat anything - but off course not when they are alone. Come and drop by in New Berlin with some pirate character - you'll see :)
Problem with fighters is that they need skill (but not so much of it either), it takes just a few training fights (with advice) to make a decent fighter character. Caps on the other hand make people think that skill is not needed since it's so uber ship - but that's actually quite wrong. But off course there are many "brave" pirates flying around in a GB/Cruiser shooting on one fighter and asking: "Coward, why do you run from me?".
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.
Were is all this battleship whoreing happening? I have not been on the server long but in 6 weeks of playing here I have yet to fight a battleship. I have had an Osiris for about 3 weeks. I mostly stay at crete. Twice now a large group of corsairs have gotten together and were like, lets go harass Alpha So I tag along. During these 2 times Ive been the only BS in the Corsair group.
P Funk Wrote:
What kind of Battleship captain goes out to war without alot of fighters?
A battleship with gunboat support. Battleships do not need fighter support. They need gunboat support in my opinion.
Lohingren Wrote:
cap whoring is getting completely rediculous
WERE? Please tell me. I have no desire to fight fighters, gunboats, or even destroyers. I got my Osiris because of this constant rumor that folks are capship whoreing all over the place.
Treewyrm Wrote:
There are lots of independent players having capital ships. Those players, while being somewhat independent (as in not being in a player faction), still like to participate in battles with their ships.
With the new limitation on Capships and most factions having limitations of their own it is not possible at the moment for me to join one with my Osiris. However, I defer to any Corsair who is in a player faction on just about anything when one is around. Long as they are not acting like a total a-hole to other players. People that spend 30 minutes rule lawyering and making accusations oocly to every minute they RP, I tend to ignore them.
My solution to player groups who are having a problem with others in CapShips..get some capships. Dock em at your homeworld. If some overwhelming force is headed your way..get your capships out. If no capships are headed your way then go with your ships of choice.
If your playerfaction is maxed on allowed capships, make an independent character and make him a capship captain. You do not need to be TBH or any other player corsair group to be a corsair battleship captain. Same for everyone else be a plain old Outcast BS captain. Or BH BS captain..or whatever.
Im all for people organizing large scale battles and each side setting up rules for ship usage. But to make it a server wide sanctionable rule seems a little excessive.
Quote:Lohingren Wrote:
cap whoring is getting completely rediculous
WERE? Please tell me. I have no desire to fight fighters, gunboats, or even destroyers. I got my Osiris because of this constant rumor that folks are capship whoreing all over the place.
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Were is all this battleship whoreing happening? I have not been on the server long but in 6 weeks of playing here I have yet to fight a battleship.
here on discovery. you want to see cap whoring by freelancers? head to magellan for the next 2-3 days and im sure you will spot 4 lane hacker spyglass'. i did. and i destroyed all 4 of them today, in something thats 10 times smaller in size. ( yes im showing off:P)
Quote:P Funk Wrote:
What kind of Battleship captain goes out to war without alot of fighters?
A battleship with gunboat support. Battleships do not need fighter support. They need gunboat support in my opinion.
a battleship with gb support or fighter support. hmm lemme see.. a fighter squadron can obliterate a gunboat, and a gb squad can take on a bs. so, i think sticking with a fighter squad is better, since it sticks close to RP (which is the main concern. remember people, this is a RP server/forum). or even better, having a mixed bomber/fighter squad.
Quote:Treewyrm Wrote:
There are lots of independent players having capital ships. Those players, while being somewhat independent (as in not being in a player faction), still like to participate in battles with their ships.
With the new limitation on Capships and most factions having limitations of their own it is not possible at the moment for me to join one with my Osiris. However, I defer to any Corsair who is in a player faction on just about anything when one is around. Long as they are not acting like a total a-hole to other players. People that spend 30 minutes rule lawyering and making accusations oocly to every minute they RP, I tend to ignore them.
the new limitation on capships is helping, slow down purchase of battleships, not cutting down their purchase. new people who trade all day and night for a week, with nothing else to do tend to always head for the shipyard selling the biggest most 'scariest' battleship they can get. its just the general mentality of such new players that the bs are the best ships ingame. sorry to say, they aint :dry:
ive seen this happening, so im mentioning it. since some people in some factions get denied a cap ship due to rank etc.. they tend to end up buying a battleship on a fl character, which is same ided' and tagged, and they spend more time on that char helping the factions instead of their real clan characters. and at the moment, the most favourite cap ship of everyone is the liberty assualt battlecruiser. (personally, i think that anything bigger than a cruiser needs a cap license, but meh).
Quote:My solution to player groups who are having a problem with others in CapShips..get some capships. Dock em at your homeworld. If some overwhelming force is headed your way..get your capships out.
to this, id like to say: not everyone likes to fly a god-damned cap ship (sorry, im a bit anti cap ships atm) so thats why they dont buy them.
and also, suppose a fl bs fleet was headed to their enemy, who are an actual faction here. the faction has 1-2 bs while their enemies have 3-4 of them. they cant get out more than they have, since their own restrictions prevent more cap ships. what to do in a situation like that, except use the chars availiable at hand, even if its a light fighter?
and your last line in that quote.. im not sure, but are you trying to say, break the rules of re-engaging with a diff character? it seems like that to me..
Quote:If your playerfaction is maxed on allowed capships, make an independent character and make him a capship captain. You do not need to be TBH or any other player corsair group to be a corsair battleship captain. Same for everyone else be a plain old Outcast BS captain. Or BH BS captain..or whatever.
right. this is what we are trying to cut down. the number of cap ships springing up all over sirius! it really needs to stop! by saying such things, not only are you promoting cap spamming, your not seeing the problem. if your in the TBH, and u got outcasts headed at you, YOU USE YOUR TBH CHARACTER FIRST. why? CUZ URE IN THE BLOOMING TBH THATS WHY!! :angry:
being a bs captain isnt wrong. im not saying its wrong. all im saying is the NUMBER of capships springing up on the server everyday is wrong. i mean cmon. explain to my why the RM would sell its best cap ship, the RH bs to some freelancing RH police-man, who has wrong identification papers (i mean wrong tag, such as the liberty navy) and start policing sectors of sirius where he shouldnt be in the first place?
so, here ends my rant about battleships, i wont argue anymore, and to summarize it all, i say yes to limiting the number of cap ships, as well as adding that cap ships bigger than a cruiser (including the cruiser) need to have licenses of their own.
i rest my case:P
(btw, im not picking on you, just some of the points made, made me reply to em)
where is cap ship whoring??? EVERY FRIKKING PLACE.
we have corsairs that don't seem to know the meaning of fighter and use 10 gunboats in they're stead.
we have independents spamming em left and right because they ain't allowed it in they big shiny faction
we have completely hopeless independent outcast's who spam the living crap outta the destroyer and give us all a bad name.
we have as frozen said 20 independents in megellen spamming em.
AND WHO JUST SAID A BATTLESHIP SHOULDNT HAVE FIGHTER BUT GUNBOATS. because you deserve to be slapped shot and thrown out a 20 story window then banned and thrown into hell its people like that that are the spammers
Frozen Wrote:
(btw, im not picking on you, just some of the points made, made me reply to em)
No worries.:)
to this, id like to say: not everyone likes to fly a god-damned cap ship (sorry, im a bit anti cap ships atm) so thats why they dont buy them.
But other people do like to fly them. Why should they be punished just because you do not like them.
and also, suppose a fl bs fleet was headed to their enemy, who are an actual faction here. the faction has 1-2 bs while their enemies have 3-4 of them. they cant get out more than they have, since their own restrictions prevent more cap ships. what to do in a situation like that, except use the chars availiable at hand, even if its a light fighter?
Again, Corsairs are a good example because there are a ton of different player factions. If a bunch of outcasts are heading to Crete, and it is not some planned one player faction against the other, then all Corsair player factions and independent Corsairs are going to defend Crete.
and your last line in that quote.. im not sure, but are you trying to say, break the rules of re-engaging with a diff character? it seems like that to me..
Im saying keep track of character who have capships. If you see a ton of enemies heading to your system, and you know some of them are in BSs. I do not see it as breaking any rules for some players on the side about to be attacked to switch to charaters that have BSs before the battle begins.
Is that breaking the rule?
You cannot transfer ships to another players. So most people with them are going to be the same people all the time. If your in a player faction I hope they are organized enough to have a database on what their enemies are flying. At least concerning Capships. If Outcasts see RickJames heading to Gamma, they should all know I am in an Osiris. Once I am in Eta, they should make preparations for me to enter Alpha. At that point, of me being in Eta, I would enourage one or two the outcasts to launch BSs from Malta. And as I mentioned if all the Outcasts are of one player faction, one of them could have an independent Outcast character with a BS.
I wish I had a solution that would make everyone happy.
' Wrote:to this, id like to say: not everyone likes to fly a god-damned cap ship (sorry, im a bit anti cap ships atm) so thats why they dont buy them.
But other people do like to fly them. Why should they be punished just because you do not like them.
Yes.
The way I see it now, people that like to fly fighters get punished alot cause of the sheer firepower of larger craft. Add to that the Nova nerf and you have VHF fighter frames feeling left out in the cold. GBs get more firepower... fighters get less... make sense dunnit? No? Awwww....
' Wrote:Again, Corsairs are a good example because there are a ton of different player factions. If a bunch of outcasts are heading to Crete, and it is not some planned one player faction against the other, then all Corsair player factions and independent Corsairs are going to defend Crete.
also a great example because 90% of them will bring out a gunboat ^^ sorry mate its true in every shape manner of form the only ones that dont spam them is SCRA and like 3 TBH member's if your lucky
EVERY SINGLE independent corsair uses a gunboat disagree as you wish because i know you all blind to your own men.
yes yes yes every independent outcast uses a destroyer before you say it i know. no one is innocent in this matter because every faction spam's the living crap out of the things it is annoying cheap and really damn unsportmanship like "i don't like fighters" don't play fl then because there wasnt any such thing as cap ships at the beginning. its not a case of you don't like its a case of what should be used boys n girls. i HATE cap ships i hate my destroyer i hate my frikkin battleship. i use em once and a blue moon WHEN THEY ARE REALLY NEEDED. you dont invade a system with 5 gunboats 1 battleship and 1 fighter TO KILL ONE FRIKKIN FIGHTER. ITS CHEAP NASTY AND PROVES MY DAMN POINT. especially when you message dump it and BRAG about it of all thing's. i seriously dont think a guy who has one char a osiris can truly understand anything.
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