cap ship limiting

[Jwnantze]

Dont. Mention. That. Rp. Event. IT WAS NOT AN EVENT! IT WAS SLAUGHTER! We had 4 Destroyers (all independant, badly armoured, badly piloted) 3 bombers and a fighter vs 2 Osirus and 17 other assorted GB's, bombers, and fighters. Now, even one of those gb's could take down a oc destroyer by itself with those cerbs. We were outnumbered (8 vs 19), outgunned (Ros vs tbh, scra, bs, bsg), and to boot, we had to deal with a very well balenced fleet with just those 3 bombers, cause the affirmentioned dessies were downed in seconds. We had a little over 4 hours to prepare for this 'event', and this was the best we could muster. The result? Entire fleet destroyed without a single enemy falling. Needless to say, in the future, we will -BAN- independants from taking part in our RP events. We depended on them to actually know how to fly, and they didnt. Agian, DONT MENTION IT AGIAN!!! Im still sore from that fight.

..........sorry, I had to get that off my chest........But it is kinda on topic, and what I think urged Lohingren to post this topic............

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There is nothing worth living for, unless it is worth dying for. -Elizabeth Elliott

[Jinx]

such a discussion makes me a bit sad. people that are complaining about capship-whoring.... you got your will. capital ships are expensive now, they are fairly inefficient and more a show off, other posts say, that they are taken down easily by a pack of fighters / bombers ( right so ) - so whats the fuss about?

again, i d like to remind you of the reactions i got when i suggested to ... instead of increasing a one-time-only purchase price incrase ( which is roughly 750million now ) to increase the freaking maintenance costs ( like no more suicide, tenfold the repair costs, practily making capital ships with their millions of armor a moneysink to keep ) - everyone was yelling "omg, no, i like my capship and i don t want to pay that much " ...

so, there you are, capships are zero maintenance cost; once you have them you can fly around with them...

and i couldn t care less. but what i do care is - the new beta / version has increased the cost of capships like it was suggested by the "cap-ship-yelling" community .. and still pilots of capital ships are insulted for having them. ... can that please stop at some time?

about capship whoring... again, the majority of battles is faught in fighters. a good portion includes gunships and destroyer - but rarely there are rediculously many capital ships out. ( yes, there are times that you see some around, but if you compare the occasion to the fighter encounters, they are very few )

so, think again.... if you want to limit capships, the only way is either to remove them from the game or increase the maintenance cost so that captains of such huge ships will only want to afford to USE them when there is really a reason for that - and not for every single little encounter. ( of course they can still use them to scare the enemy off - now thats what a battleship is really best for .... )

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[Lohingren]

jinx don't speak of something you do not know please ask any actual battle torn faction of this situation and you WILL get the exact same answer you must be lucky because 75% of battles that i take place in now are more gunboats and cruisers than fighter craft, seriously i wouldn't bring such a thing up if i didn't think it was needed. and i wouldn't say something if it
was not true. i know most of this happens on the corsair's and outcast sides on our side we have independents spamming the living crap outta the Outcast destroyers plus we have quite the damn few people using outcast
dreadnought WHY? i have absolutely no idea since the things don't get sold because a very select few where made. on the corsair side we have them gunboats being spaffed left and right and yet again the osiris is in the same boat as our dreadnought.

this is no one sided matter it IS on both sides i have to agree. i have told my men to use fighters and bombers unless i or another leader of the RoS specify from now on, i would atleast hope others take this and do the same

ALSO i am here on banning any independent outcast from RP driven event's from now on that we are leading or taking part in. why? independents in my opinion are only independent because they ain't allowed to use whatever ship in the book they can get they're hands on in a faction they get away with murder and i ain't having it. if you wanna be let into cool stuff such as RP event's join a faction get your RP into gear and realise what you do is wrong. yet again harsh but a measure i am taking none the less.


number 2: on refelction to this i am scrapping my battleship the Archon and using the fund's to buy a destroyer which i will be opening up to all ships willing to dock and sign upto the RoS

conditions for docking rights:

1: you must be willing to RP and willing to take orders.

2: i dont want any cruiser or battleship pilots. and gunboat's will be EXTREMELY LIMITED

3: you must be active, to many members i have had now have came in for 1 to 2 weeks then i have never seen again, infact on average 70% of the members that have joined have never been seen again in the space of days. you have utterly tore mine and silents bank balances apart and im not happy about it, yes we are small and don't do much what you expect if you don't give us a chance to do stuff when everyone that joins comes takes our money then doesn't come back on

4: respect, you MUST HAVE RESPECT for the rule's, for sportsmanship and most of all respect to other's, if i come on one day to see 5 cap ship's have been spammed against our enemies on RoS tags i am gonna slap you so hard you wish you didn't know me, if i see a raid with RoS tagged men from now on and you are with independent's all flying oc destroyers im gonna do the same, if you see a independent fly a oc destroyer i want you to drive into they're brain so hard that the sabre is a great ship and the destroyer should be used in extreme measure only and they are not to be over used. CHECK THE INFO CARD BOYS AND GIRLS there are only a FEW made in existance a few meaning 4-5 not 100+ and the ones that ARE made are in malta protecting the place not running around on a friggin killing spree.

ok harsh rules indeed i know, but such is life. so i hereby wish all new players wishing to join outcast's all independent outcast's to join the RoS and become real outcasts one's that live upto the name ones that will be known in days to come as the REAPERS OF SIRIUS!!!

Lohingren Out

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Reapers of Sirius Database

[galaktik]

Oh, well first i think many have come to discovery to have capship, becouse many mods dont have em.

second: how come i fought outcasts before with 3 bombers and 1 viper against 2 BS, 2 DD, 1 Gb,(this was case many times) and that was all faction members from RoS and 101st

I can tell you it will kill fun and uniquness of discovery if u extremly limit cap ships

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[Jinx]

so, what you want is a two-class community.

"independents in my opinion are only independent because they ain't allowed to use whatever ship in the book they can get they're hands on in a faction they get away with murder and i ain't having it. if you wanna be let into cool stuff such as RP event's join a faction get your RP into gear and realise what you do is wrong."

there are the player faction players and the independents. and i am sure, that not all playerfactions you mention are included, aren t they? lets just limit it to established factions that are like 2 years old? maybe limit capships to invite only factions that only recruit elite pilots? far fetched? think again..... .

what you say is - independents should not use bigger ships, cause they cannot use them in a responsible way. where will it stop? - battleships? cruisers? destroyer? bombers? - ... i even saw lightfighter-whoring posts.

it says that anyone can use those ships and just cause you are not having a clan tag doesn t mean your roleplay is better or worse. just cause a player doesn t follow orders doesn t make orders from a superior any more plausible.

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[Lohingren]

what 2 bs's where these galaktik? RoS has only 2 mine and silent's, my one ain't been used in a fight in a long long while and neither has silent's, as for the DD's not my fault and the gb come back when you don't use 4 at a time thank you.

and jinx put it this way, how can a independent soldier without corporate backing get together cash for a battleship or a destroyer, you don't see a typical naval soldier in real life going to the ministry of defense saying can i have 1 billion quid so i can get a brand spanking new warship to use....no you don't same goes for independent soldier's of said faction. i am not saying abolish the damn things i am saying stop the all out mass use of them there is no need for flying around in one 24/7 its bad role play and plain bad sportsmanship. if im fighting fighters i use a fighter if im fighting gunboats i use my bomber if i got a bit of backup if i am fighting capships by myself i will use capship's this is the point i am making i am not saying if your not in a faction don't use em i am saying think common sense and think would a independent soldier even be able to buy such a ship, nevermind a ship that states in specific detail that there where very few made in existance and the ones that where made for the soul purpose of defense not to go out and kill what you want when you want it.

you are one for RP jinx i know you are, if you where in our positions you would think the exact same. independents don't get battleships. yes this mod has battleships and yes its one of the few that does or atleast its one of the few active mods that does but it does not justify the use of them 24/7 what people need to see is this game is a fighter on fighter simulated rpg not a get the biggest ship you can get because you can and kill everything in your path. it completely unbalances things and ruins the playing experience for the people actually trying to have a good time and RP.

the reason i am taking it out hard on independents is because it is truly them that need to buck up they're ideas and get into they're heads this is a RP server not a pvp one and the soul reason most people ARE independent is because they can get away with said pvp whoring in cap ship's but if they where in a faction they would not, it is just not right and unfair to the factions trying to keep a balance within things.

EDIT: i honestly don't like moaning about it, it makes me look like a 5 year old spoiled brat that ain't getting what he wanting. i look like a complete idiot right now saying YOU SHOULDN'T BE USING CAP SHIPS THEY BIG UBER AND ARE UNFAIR. but it needs to be said by someone and i am taking it upon myself to say it. its just wrong, unfair, and plain old crap for people who get dove upon by 3 gunboats a cruiser and a battleship when they are in a lone fighter. please someone justify this and don't say "i didn't know they was a fighter" because there is such thing as a rank. i will never attack someone in unfair ships you can even ask people i have fought. i have told my men to break off an attack if we outnumber such person or if we have cap ships and they have fighter's. Ares for one will vouch for this so will some BSG. i do not like fighting people if they are in a fighter and we have even one capship with us. i personally hate the idea of winning a battle with them if my opponents where fighter's

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Reapers of Sirius Database

[chopper]

I must agree with Jinx, on some points.
But then again, it is very funny to bring 6 capital ships against 3 VHF's, isn't it?
It would not be funny if those 6 caps had like 10 fighters for escort. But they had 2.
2 fighters and 6 capital ships = funny. OORP and funny.
But, there is no way to set this right, so i'm not going to bother.
About capital ships, only thing i would like is to forbid them for Pirate ID, as they are forbidden for Merc ID. That would be fair.

@Duke nuke'm - hehe, well it was a bit too easy. but we didn't have that much m26's, only 5 i think..
BSG were in vipers, Bs in small crafts too, and 1 member of SCRA was in HF as i recall. TBH in bombers, except for Tinky.
And, OC had a battleship too, but he fell down to quickly, you maybe didn't notice:P
But i do agree that your independants were a bit lousier then ours:)
And i agree about gunboats, but not just Corsairs. Every single gunboat is overpowered because of those Cerbs.
But they will be nerfed in next version, if i got it right. And i was the one who complained about that too:)

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[GlyphStorm]

@Lohingren: Ok... I believe that you propose that the capital ships to be used only by factions?


Glyph

[mjolnir]

As the Mercenary ID is now not allowed to use Cruisers and up... I would also say that generic Pirate ID and Generic Military ID should not use them either..

I would just get rid of the Generic Military ID completely and limit the generic Pirate ID to gunboats max, but off course BHG IDs should be able to use BS.

I don't have problems with proper IDed independents.. it's just the occasional, Liberty Navy Tag/ Rheinland police ID/Bretonian BS flying around that I don't like. Difficult to roleplay about what his intentions are.


Police IDs should not be used on Cruisers/BS.... you don't really see police driving around the streets in Tanks do you?

Also I'm not really a fan of RepEx security Cruisers flying around.... shouldn't a company like that use max. gunboats ? Pirates can't pirate in bigger ships than that anyway.

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[wlr]

jinx don't speak of something you do not know please ask any actual battle torn faction of this situation and you WILL get the exact same answer you must be lucky because 75% of battles that i take place in now are more gunboats and cruisers than fighter craft, seriously i wouldn't bring such a thing up if i didn't think it was needed. and i wouldn't say something if it
was not true. i know most of this happens on the corsair's and outcast sides on our side we have independents spamming the living crap outta the Outcast destroyers plus we have quite the damn few people using outcast
dreadnought WHY? i have absolutely no idea since the things don't get sold because a very select few where made. on the corsair side we have them gunboats being spaffed left and right and yet again the osiris is in the same boat as our dreadnought.

this is no one sided matter it IS on both sides i have to agree. i have told my men to use fighters and bombers unless i or another leader of the RoS specify from now on, i would atleast hope others take this and do the same

ALSO i am here on banning any independent outcast from RP driven event's from now on that we are leading or taking part in. why? independents in my opinion are only independent because they ain't allowed to use whatever ship in the book they can get they're hands on in a faction they get away with murder and i ain't having it. if you wanna be let into cool stuff such as RP event's join a faction get your RP into gear and realise what you do is wrong. yet again harsh but a measure i am taking none the less.
number 2: on refelction to this i am scrapping my battleship the Archon and using the fund's to buy a destroyer which i will be opening up to all ships willing to dock and sign upto the RoS

conditions for docking rights:

1: you must be willing to RP and willing to take orders.

2: i dont want any cruiser or battleship pilots. and gunboat's will be EXTREMELY LIMITED

3: you must be active, to many members i have had now have came in for 1 to 2 weeks then i have never seen again, infact on average 70% of the members that have joined have never been seen again in the space of days. you have utterly tore mine and silents bank balances apart and im not happy about it, yes we are small and don't do much what you expect if you don't give us a chance to do stuff when everyone that joins comes takes our money then doesn't come back on

4: respect, you MUST HAVE RESPECT for the rule's, for sportsmanship and most of all respect to other's, if i come on one day to see 5 cap ship's have been spammed against our enemies on RoS tags i am gonna slap you so hard you wish you didn't know me, if i see a raid with RoS tagged men from now on and you are with independent's all flying oc destroyers im gonna do the same, if you see a independent fly a oc destroyer i want you to drive into they're brain so hard that the sabre is a great ship and the destroyer should be used in extreme measure only and they are not to be over used. CHECK THE INFO CARD BOYS AND GIRLS there are only a FEW made in existance a few meaning 4-5 not 100+ and the ones that ARE made are in malta protecting the place not running around on a friggin killing spree.

ok harsh rules indeed i know, but such is life. so i hereby wish all new players wishing to join outcast's all independent outcast's to join the RoS and become real outcasts one's that live upto the name ones that will be known in days to come as the REAPERS OF SIRIUS!!!

Lohingren Out

How about enjoying the game and not getting all worked up because you're personal ideas don't fit with all players.

If you aren't in my gang you can't play the game. Seriously you are sounding very oppressive.
I like cap ships, I have a Cruiser, a fighter, a trader, and will get a bomber.

My Cruiser sits and mainly acts as a deterent making traders feel welcome. Very seldomly will I just open fire or hunt a pirate down. In my eyes most running pirates will have been delt with by house NPC chars as my cruiser is not stupid enough to go flying after one lone fighter for fear of a trap.
It's big, boxy and fun, sorry you hate them and the people who fly them.

Personaly when joining FL I loved seeing the odd capship hanging around even if was hostile. It gives the game an edge:)

And btw, if you faction groupies jump on independants too much it will make for a very unhappy server I think. Remember there are many out there learning and playing the game, just waiting to join a worthy cause.

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