Do you want the returne of the Solar System?

[Linkus]

You guys want to take this into the "we really, really 'think' we are good at maths" section. Thanks.

I do a Chemical Engineering course in University.

I'm still awful at maths xD

Simply pointing out that the figures support the theory of Jupiter etc being flung off into deep space.

QUOTE(Luka @ Jul 28 2011, 12:07 PM)

When did Igiss say that? he only made the extended intro canon. And if he said so, then deal with the Huge plothole you left there.

The plothole is being dealt with.

And I don't see what the plothole is. We've already said that there are more than one group of Nomads that are separate from each other.

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[Lohingren]

Star explodes = no gravity holding anything within that area of space

which means what was once sol is now an empty space, for all we know a huge asteroid/meteor that was once earth itself is floating toward Manhattan as we speak on an destruction course. (could be interesting:P)

2) dom k'vash i would presume are pretty much like gods, and if (im not a religious man) anything godlike was to truly exist, or atleast a species that can do things like pioneer the jumpgate etc, would most likely not get involved in trivial "Alien" activities.

3) Seperate nomad groups - Meh i think this might be getting done already and even if it isnt, i would not disagree with said occurance unless it turns into being a sun destroyer which is a silly prospect in my opinion.

4) Solans - i doubt much would be around anymore, whats his face who tells the story in the intro is probably one of very few people who managed to survive this along with the Gallians - pretty useless addition i would say.

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[Luka]

Yes, the DK disappeared, I never said they were extinct. However, they never returned either. For all we know, they could be in a distant area of space watching the Nomads and humanity fight. Any and all current alien activity is done by the Nomads. The DK had nothing to do with the destruction of Earth. DK has no interest in Earth, they can create their own version of it. If they can create the Sirius Sector and the Nomads, then they can create any planet or species that they want. Why would they be interested in us?

Obviously because is a NATURALLY habitable planet, with it's own wildlife, they would love playing with it's wildlife, just like Gaia. And how do you know they had nothing to do? if nomads work the way the ones in Sirius work, then I really doubt they would be going rogue like that and star blowing up systems, as far I know, the nomads in Sirius were left there to no permit tresspassing, so if there was any other, probably they left them for that too instead of just going randomly exploding Sol.

And where does it say they created the whole Sirius?, as far I know, it's just an outpost, and they made only the dyson sphere, some random gates and the cluster in gallia

I fact, if there was another nomad faction blowing up Sol, they would be pissing off the DK too, they love tweaking with stuff and creatures, unless they are some random form of nomad separatists, but anyways there would be sol, either looking like O7 or O41, but in fact that's pretty much a spoiler for a next version of Disco.

[Hielor]

How many times I have to say, how do you know it was destroyed?, it flashed, yet the intro didn't show if it was "destroyed", it destroyed the planets, but it never shown Earth...

A logical person can conclude that if the explosion was strong enough to destroy Jupiter, it was strong enough to destroy Earth.

I don't really see what you mean by "explosion of the star." Stars are already enormous fusion reactors radiating intense amounts of energy and planets are fine. If you blew Sol's star apart at the time this event supposedly occurred, it would just be a bunch of lightweight hydrogen and helium moving outwards from the sun isotropically. This would not have a large effect on planets.

The only real way to tear apart a planet into fragments is a collision with another body of comparable size. Other than that, "melting" and irradiation can occur with such a cataclysm, but it is unlikely.
Ok, since you want to push this one, let's go-- it's an interesting problem. The scattering of lightweight elements in the sun would not carry nearly enough momentum to substantially move the other planets. Let's assume the sun is pure hydrogen and that its entire mass is thrown isotropically outward in an explosion at some "reasonable velocity" like 4/5 c.

mass of the sun = 2 * 10^30 kg
E = γmc^2 = 2.7 * 10^48 J (that's a high energy superweapon -- totally impossible, but we'll keep it)

As the explosion occurs, assume the energetic particles fly outward at 4/5 c in an expanding spherical shell.
The area of this shell: A® = 4 π r^2. Let r0 be the radius of the sun: r0 = 7.0 * 10^8 m, thus A(r0) = 6.2 * 10^18 m^2.

The distance of Jupiter from the center of the sun: r_j = 8.0 * 10^11 m. A(r_j) = 8.0 * 10^24 m^2. (area of the spherical shell, centered at the sun, passing through Jupiter)

If we take the "energy density" of the explosion at this shell surface, assuming nothing exists in space between the sun and Jupiter: E/A(r_j) = 3.4 * 10^23 J/m^2.

Let's make a liberal assumption and say that Jupiter absorbs 100% of the energy of the particles that collide with it. So we will take the energy density and multiply it by half the surface area of Jupiter:
E_j = (3.1* 10^16 m^2) * 3.4 * 10^23 J/m^2 = 1.0 * 10^40 J.

mass of jupiter: m_j = 1.9 * 10^27 kg.
resultant outward velocity of jupiter: v_j = sqrt(2*E_j / m_j) = 3.2 * 10^6 m/s.
now, that's pretty fast, you say? it really isn't -- jupiter's already orbiting at 1.3 * 10^4 m/s.

The 4/5 c and 100% transfer figures are completely ridiculous anyway, no alien race can produce a weapon that spontaneously transfers 10^48 joules of energy into those kinds of particles.

GG

You have still not watched the video we're talking about, as none of your points make any sense in the context of what happens in the video.

Stop making stuff up and watch the video. Until then, we have nothing further to discuss.

[Klaw117]

Obviously because is a NATURALLY habitable planet, with it's own wildlife, they would love playing with it's wildlife, just like Gaia. And how do you know they had nothing to do? if nomads work the way the ones in Sirius work, then I really doubt they would be going rogue like that and star blowing up systems, as far I know, the nomads in Sirius were left there to no permit tresspassing, so if there was any other, probably they left them for that too instead of just going randomly exploding Sol.

And where does it say they created the whole Sirius?, as far I know, it's just an outpost, and they made only the dyson sphere, some random gates and the cluster in gallia

I fact, if there was another nomad faction blowing up Sol, they would be pissing off the DK too, they love tweaking with stuff and creatures, unless they are some random form of nomad separatists, but anyways there would be sol, either looking like O7 or O41, but in fact that's pretty much a spoiler for a next version of Disco.

I know they have nothing to do with it because it is a canon fact that the DK left the Sirius Sector and any space populated by humanity several million years before the start of the game. Also, Earth isn't the only habitable planet in the universe. There are billions of other planets out there. We're not the only intelligent life in the universe. If the DK really wanted to mess with wildlife, they could go find another planet. And I already told you, the Nomads in Sol are not rogue. They are completely different from Nomads in Sirius. The Nomads in Sol have never and never will answer to the Nomads in Sirius. These two groups of Nomads may not even be aware of each other's existence.

As for the DK creating all of Sirius, read this: http://www.7crows.com/files/Freelancer%2...action.pdf. Heck, I even told you to read that in your topic about Earth, but it's clear that you didn't do so.

Nomads blowing up Sol would not necessarily be pissing off the DK. For all we know, they could've been threatened by us. An old draft of the Freelancer introduction even speculates this, but a definite answer is never found. Here's an excerpt from the draft:

ROCKFORD (V.O.)
Because that'€™s when they arrived. Some say they were threatened by our technology. Our ability to travel the stars. Others say they feared the spread of our war.
(beat)
We'€™ll never know. They made no attempt to communicate. Not a word, not a blip ever came from their ship.

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Anthony Cameron: Guild Core Bounty Hunter - Killed in Action, committed suicide after being trapped in Omicron Minor following its destruction
Juan Ruiz: Outcast Ghost of Razgriz Pirate - Killed in Action, killed by the Sirius Coalition Revolutionary Army during Bretonian piracy raid
Michael Winchester: Liberty Security Force Agent - Missing in Action, likely killed during Rheinland espionage mission or trapped in Rheinland Space
Eric McCormick: Order Pilot - Retired, shifted to planetside training of new recruits

Liberty and Nomad Backstory, Very interesting - read it!

[Luka]

I know they have nothing to do with it because it is a canon fact that the DK left the Sirius Sector and any space populated by humanity several million years before the start of the game.

They could simply have returned

Also, Earth isn't the only habitable planet in the universe. There are billions of other planets out there. We're not the only intelligent life in the universe. If the DK really wanted to mess with wildlife, they could go find another planet.

Billions?, do you have an idea how rare a natural habitable planets are?

And I already told you, the Nomads in Sol are not rogue. They are completely different from Nomads in Sirius. The Nomads in Sol have never and never will answer to the Nomads in Sirius. These two groups of Nomads may not even be aware of each other's existence.

It says there's just other groups that may have been active while the ones in Sirius weren't, but nothing about there not being a connectiong between them.

As for the DK creating all of Sirius, read this: http://www.7crows.com/files/Freelancer%2...action.pdf. Heck, I even told you to read that in your topic about Earth, but it's clear that you didn't do so.

NOTHING there says they created Sirius, all I've read there nearest to "they created Sirius" is that the planets have traces of their random thinkering around and some random artifacts for the nomad to play around, the nearest thing they would have done to "creating" Sirius is terraforming the planets and buil stuff around, but nothing about them creating the cluster.

Nomads blowing up Sol would not necessarily be pissing off the DK. For all we know, they could've been threatened by us. An old draft of the Freelancer introduction even speculates this, but a definite answer is never found.

Which is odd, nomads would have simply grabbed the Earth's population, just like the ones in Sirius were going to do, and if they have that sort of Tech, they wouldn't be threatened of the tech Humans had, mostly they would have done that to blow up human bases and their fleets

[Linkus]

Billions?, do you have an idea how rare a natural habitable planets are?

In an infinite universe there will be infinite numbers of natural habitable planets.

Which is odd, nomads would have simply grabbed the Earth's population, just like the ones in Sirius were going to do,

This is a pretty clear indication of how you lack some of the basic understanding of the Nomads and DK.

The Nomads 'grabbed' humans in Sirius to make humanity fight itself.
So that then the Nomads could come in and destroy the remnants.

Humans are not special.

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[Daedric]

Not really a point in arguing with him. He is a brick wall. His opinion is the only one that he thinks is right.

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[Linkus]

Sometimes you just can't beat a good argument though xD

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[Luka]

In an infinite universe there will be infinite numbers of natural habitable planets.

As far I know, they were a galactic power, they would have experimented with other lifeforms, but each planet has variable phisiology, They would have found planets like Earth, but with diferent distances from the sun, diferent kind of minerals, gravity, etc. Evolution is completely diferent, so they would have terraformed planets to see what appeared from there, then if they found Earth, it's settings would be diferent, it's 1 AU distance from the sun, low He3, high amounts of nitrogen on the atmosphere, etc, stuff like that, finding a natural habitable planet it's pretty hard, just like Planet Gaia it's considered heavily valuable in Sirius.

This is a pretty clear indication of how you lack some of the basic understanding of the Nomads and DK.

The Nomads 'grabbed' humans in Sirius to make humanity fight itself.
So that then the Nomads could come in and destroy the remnants.

Humans are not special.

And again I say, Yes we are, we've been able to single handely defeat a mostly unknown alien species being heavily undermanned, undergunned and undereverything, yet we fraking won the Nomad War even with most of mankind obscured for bonus point, just to give you and idea of how superior is humanity when all together.

And what I read from the lore:
" They also realized that our own civilization was technologically
more advanced than their own -- but much as humanity had taken the remnants of
the Daam-K'Vosh civilization and made it their own, so the Nomads decided that
they would take our civilization and rebuild it in their own image"

They weren't just going to kill humans, they were going to use them a jaffa, which sol nomads would have done as well.