Do you want the returne of the Solar System?

[Klaw117]

Not really a point in arguing with him. He is a brick wall. His opinion is the only one that he thinks is right.

Yeah, I'm not even going to bother anymore. He obviously has no knowledge of what the community has widely accepted/established as canon. I think this will only stop if Igiss steps in, but frankly, I don't think he has the time for this.

EDIT: All right, last point I'm going to make here...

As far I know, they were a galactic power, they would have experimented with other lifeforms, but each planet has variable phisiology, They would have found planets like Earth, but with diferent distances from the sun, diferent kind of minerals, gravity, etc. Evolution is completely diferent, so they would have terraformed planets to see what appeared from there, then if they found Earth, it's settings would be diferent, it's 1 AU distance from the sun, low He3, high amounts of nitrogen on the atmosphere, etc, stuff like that, finding a natural habitable planet it's pretty hard, just like Planet Gaia it's considered heavily valuable in Sirius.

It's only valuable for us because we don't have the technology to search the entire galaxy for habitable planets. The DK have that advantage. They would probably pass by any habitable planet without a second glance. Heck, we were taking a MASSIVE risk in heading for Sirius. If there were no habitable worlds here, humanity would be extinct.

And again I say, Yes we are, we've been able to single handely defeat a mostly unknown alien species being heavily undermanned, undergunned and undereverything, yet we fraking won the Nomad War even with most of mankind obscured for bonus point, just to give you and idea of how superior is humanity when all together.

And what I read from the lore:
" They also realized that our own civilization was technologically
more advanced than their own -- but much as humanity had taken the remnants of
the Daam-K'Vosh civilization and made it their own, so the Nomads decided that
they would take our civilization and rebuild it in their own image"

They weren't just going to kill humans, they were going to use them a jaffa, which sol nomads would have done as well.

We are not special. We simply used our natural instincts for survival, an instinct any organism has. Any intelligent species that takes the time to research the enemy could probably win. You want to know the details of how we won? It probably involved only about a hundred people from the Order who decided to take a chance in using whatever research that they had on the Nomads, along with the single active alien artifact in our possession. That's all it was. A chance. A massive gamble using only the knowledge that with a suicide attack into the Nomads' homeworld, they could activate the artifact that they had to HOPEFULLY cut off the Nomads from their power supply. If this failed for some reason, humanity would be controlled by the Nomads.

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Carlos Rivera: Corsair Brotherhood Pirate - Retired, shifted to Tripoli Shipyard's Research and Development engineering teams
Anthony Cameron: Guild Core Bounty Hunter - Killed in Action, committed suicide after being trapped in Omicron Minor following its destruction
Juan Ruiz: Outcast Ghost of Razgriz Pirate - Killed in Action, killed by the Sirius Coalition Revolutionary Army during Bretonian piracy raid
Michael Winchester: Liberty Security Force Agent - Missing in Action, likely killed during Rheinland espionage mission or trapped in Rheinland Space
Eric McCormick: Order Pilot - Retired, shifted to planetside training of new recruits

Liberty and Nomad Backstory, Very interesting - read it!

[Jeremy Hunter]

We won by pure dumb luck.

Nothing else.

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May you ever walk in the Light, Shizune.

[Luka]

We won by pure dumb luck.
Nothing else.

lol what? you mostly won because you always sent Trent first.:laugh:

Aside from that Humans are Warriors....

[Klaw117]

lol what? you mostly won because you always sent Trent first.:laugh:

Aside from that Humans are Warriors....

Read the edits in my last post (I made one only a second ago, so refresh your page first).

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Carlos Rivera: Corsair Brotherhood Pirate - Retired, shifted to Tripoli Shipyard's Research and Development engineering teams
Anthony Cameron: Guild Core Bounty Hunter - Killed in Action, committed suicide after being trapped in Omicron Minor following its destruction
Juan Ruiz: Outcast Ghost of Razgriz Pirate - Killed in Action, killed by the Sirius Coalition Revolutionary Army during Bretonian piracy raid
Michael Winchester: Liberty Security Force Agent - Missing in Action, likely killed during Rheinland espionage mission or trapped in Rheinland Space
Eric McCormick: Order Pilot - Retired, shifted to planetside training of new recruits

Liberty and Nomad Backstory, Very interesting - read it!

[Luka]

Yeah, I'm not even going to bother anymore. He obviously has no knowledge of what the community has widely accepted/established as canon. I think this will only stop if Igiss steps in, but frankly, I don't think he has the time for this.

I simply don't care if the community accepts it if it doesn't make sense, I think believing in something like that is simply being ignorant (no offense), and that there's a BIG plothole in it that would've fixed by either adding Sol or in a next version.

It's only valuable for us because we don't have the technology to search the entire galaxy for habitable planets. The DK have that advantage. They would probably pass by any habitable planet without a second glance. Heck, we were taking a MASSIVE risk in heading for Sirius. If there were no habitable worlds here, humanity would be extinct.

I doubt the alliance would just send ships to Sirius like that, they obviously have done some research before setting a random course, and if they did, they would have just made domed ecosystems or something like that, by that time, if we could make bases in Ganimede, it was not exactly a problem if the Sleeper ships had the right equipment aboard.

And then there's the Colonial Republic, So Sirians weren't the only ones

We are not special. We simply used our natural instincts for survival, an instinct any organism has. Any intelligent species that takes the time to research the enemy could probably win. You want to know the details of how we won? It probably involved only about a hundred people from the Order who decided to take a chance in using whatever research that they had on the Nomads, along with the single active alien artifact in our possession. That's all it was. A chance. A massive gamble using only the knowledge that with a suicide attack into the Nomads' homeworld, they could activate the artifact that they had to HOPEFULLY cut off the Nomads from their power supply. If this failed for some reason, humanity would be controlled by the Nomads.

That's not just natural instincts, it's the simple fact humanity fought war since ever, it's as simple as Humans are Warriors, or Soldiers if you know the diference between both. Yes, it involved luck, but let's see, it was just a hundred people to blow up and almost-unknown race, unless they're ninjas or spartans, it makes humans pretty special. With all the luck you want, now imagine it with all humanity together, it's a simple Curb-stomp battle; although some part of what you said is right, they did it with the help of the map Trent got and the nomad power cell, but still, Mankind won, that's all that counts.

[Klaw117]

I simply don't care if the community accepts it if it doesn't make sense, I think believing in something like that is simply being ignorant (no offense), and that there's a BIG plothole in it that would've fixed by either adding Sol or in a next version.

Going against what has been established as canon and factual is like saying gravity doesn't exist.

I'm not bothering with the rest because as I said already, there's no use trying to persuade you to accept what everyone else already has. I admire your persistence in this matter, but at this point, it's gone too far. You're simply ignoring facts now.

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Carlos Rivera: Corsair Brotherhood Pirate - Retired, shifted to Tripoli Shipyard's Research and Development engineering teams
Anthony Cameron: Guild Core Bounty Hunter - Killed in Action, committed suicide after being trapped in Omicron Minor following its destruction
Juan Ruiz: Outcast Ghost of Razgriz Pirate - Killed in Action, killed by the Sirius Coalition Revolutionary Army during Bretonian piracy raid
Michael Winchester: Liberty Security Force Agent - Missing in Action, likely killed during Rheinland espionage mission or trapped in Rheinland Space
Eric McCormick: Order Pilot - Retired, shifted to planetside training of new recruits

Liberty and Nomad Backstory, Very interesting - read it!

[Freestalker.fr]

Hey Guys! have you think about time travels?! I think Sol Nomads are future current Nomads, they've find the tech of the time travel, and decided to kill the humanity before her expension, because the humanity was too strong for Nomad. But that was to late humans have built Sleeper Ships and finally Times Travels aren't an exact science and Nomad didn't know, when did the Sleeper ships launch? The SOL System is finally dead for a good reason, we can now deal with it!

[Ingenious]

Going against what has been established as canon and factual is like saying gravity doesn't exist.

I'll just butt in and say that gravity and the concept of a vacuum actually don't exist in the Freelancer universe.

[Linkus]

Gravity certainly exists.

Your ship isn't pulled down to planet because the ship automatically stops all movement when you tell it to stop.
Not much point bringing your ship to halt if it's only going to start sliding one way or another.

Incredibly advanced spaceships would easily be able to keep themselves in space.

In terms of vacuum, it's there too. Only real flaw is the sounds from other ship weapons.

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Facilitating the rise of robotics since 0 A.D.

[Ingenious]

Gravity certainly exists.

Your ship isn't pulled down to planet because the ship automatically stops all movement when you tell it to stop.
Not much point bringing your ship to halt if it's only going to start sliding one way or another.

Trade lanes would not be possible under orbital mechanics.
The only acknowledgement of gravity in the entire game is in the Docking Ring and Heavy Lifter infocards.

Incredibly advanced spaceships would easily be able to keep themselves in space.

Yes, if you have some way to generate momentum or counteract gravity, not by "magic."

• superconductors
  
• gyroscopes
  
• adaptive thrusting
  

No FL fluff discusses antigravity.

In terms of vacuum, it's there too. Only real flaw is the sounds from other ship weapons.

In a true vacuum, space dust would not cause any deceleration in space. Angular and translational acceleration by thrusters would asymptotically bring a ship to the speed of light, not to some "maximum speed" defined by "angular_drag". Drag is air/fluid friction, yet there is negligible fluid in space. EDIT: you'd actually decelerate significantly in a gas cloud.

The sounds from ship weapons can actually be explained as a helpfully indicative electromagnetic interruption or detection on your shortwave radio, thus actually keeping with true vacuum...