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Offline SeaFalcon
10-10-2011, 12:16 PM,
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*Sits in the NFZ with a Freelancer Guardian*
"wut?"

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Dane you did ok, and characters change by things they encounter along their life...


so it's fine.
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Offline Vladimir
10-10-2011, 12:17 PM,
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Zoners just should lose caps, that's all. Then the actual battles over FPs would be fought by actual militaries and and whatnot, like it should be.

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Offline Syrus
10-10-2011, 12:37 PM,
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Aet says it. Some bases are on horrible spots in those systems. FP1 and Freistadt are right in the middle of everything. Right there where house bases should be.

It think in Vanilla Briesen (Erlangen) was supposed to be in the middle of the system while Freistadt being the IMG base would make a lot more sense in the southern half of the system with easy access for the Hessians etc.
I'd say change the O7 system like this:
Freistadt to the northwest, the O11 JH away from the (DHC) mining area(s) and a Police base in the middle of the system.

O3 has the same problems. FP1 should be placed somewhere else, while a police base should take its place. And make Sprague dockable again...Bretonias retreat, you know? But remember, there's still a BMM base in the south and a DHC base in the south-east!
The FP1 could be somewhere around Sprague, but not too close, so it isn't in the way.

Anyway, that's not really the topic.
About your idea, Dane, I think it sounds good, but you will quickyl get into problems when the Bretonians start firing back. Enforcing Zoner FP law so close to house territory - or rather "house claimed territory", since O3 and O7 are claimed by Bretonia and Rheinland will always cause trouble. At least in such populated systems. Not to mention Bretonia shifting their attention towards retreating south - to Omega-3.

It would be nice if people respected Zoner laws around the Freeports, but at least in the FP1-case that isn't very easy to enforce. One will always get pissed about it and start rolling in the big ships.

But anyway, good luck. And don't shoot me. I'll shoot back. Or roll in the big ships. Or at least some backup defenses. 8|

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Offline Doc Holliday
10-10-2011, 12:39 PM,
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' Wrote:Zoners just should lose caps, that's all. Then the actual battles over FPs would be fought by actual militaries and and whatnot, like it should be.

Zoners wouldn't need them if people would stop pushing them. When Houses stop pushing, when they stop trying o expand their empires and thus create more war, I will get rid of my caps but not a second before that.

To me, this is like Kim Jong Il of North Korea telling a small country that if it disarms, it will be left alone. The world knows better....MUCH better!

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Offline SpaceTime
10-10-2011, 12:44 PM,
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' Wrote:These two statements contradict.

And as for running a freeport the way you want to, you can do so - but not at the border of house space with a house navy breathing down your neck. I reiterate what I already suggested to you: Pack up Freeport One and move it south. My suggestion would be a far corner of Omega 5, maybe some 10K northwest of the Omega 3 hole. Or move the entire current FP1 base south of the ice nebula on the western end of the system, somewhat close to the Cambridge and and Omega 5 hole, so it's out of the way of the lane traffic. Then replace the current station model in Omega 3's lane site with a small police base and turn it into a BPA base to signify Bretonian influence expanding in Omega 3.

In all honesty, the same should be done for the RFP in Omega 7, with Freistadt falling under RFP control and a new IMG asteroid base being established somewhere in the northwest end of the system (at least a good 25K from the lane). That would also remedy the issues with Hessians docking at the IMG base in that system - doing so in the middle of the lane is just WAY too visible. And thirdly, it would allow ALL of the mining factions to launch out of the base in the middle of the lane, which is convenient.

I don't see how profitable for both Zoners and IMG would be to lose the central position that they have in these systems. I am against in such development 100%


To the OP: It is a law in nature that the one with power bullies the weak. But since this is a game, I recommend you to ignore those who are over-doing it.
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Offline Echo 7-7
10-10-2011, 12:52 PM,
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You took up a tough job when you hadn't been around the server for all that long. Good on you for what you've done.

There's nothing wrong with showing some spine inRP, but if the stress of running the station is preventing your gameplay from being enjoyable, then no one can blame you for passing the task on to someone else.

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Offline Vladimir
10-10-2011, 01:44 PM,
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' Wrote:Zoners wouldn't need them if people would stop pushing them. When Houses stop pushing, when they stop trying o expand their empires and thus create more war, I will get rid of my caps but not a second before that.

To me, this is like Kim Jong Il of North Korea telling a small country that if it disarms, it will be left alone. The world knows better....MUCH better!

Zoners are supposed to be bullied. That's what they run from, after all. And the least reasonable thing of all i've seen in disco is zoner juggies twice the size of freeport shooting at militaries and navys because they don't follow the NFZ.

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Offline Dane Summers
10-10-2011, 09:35 PM,
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@AD, Jack

Make it happen - Aet, your a Dev, do it. Igiss, from what I gather, has left the big chair, so maybe Disco is finally in the hands of its players, aye? I wouldnt mind the change, really.

@Doc

Im not quitting. I hate this job, I dislike zoner RP as you guys have made it - but im on a crusade, and I made a promise, so hell, i guess I gotta follow through - even if that means the wheels come off, and im just driving a metal box off a cliff. Im not going anywhere - Im just finally not caring about trying to fit inside the submissive zoner mold - i run this station, and ill run it how i like.

I dont care how OORP it is to fight a house military, or how stomped ill get by corsairs, or whatever. so far, ive smoked the SCRA twice.

its a game, and nothing about it is real. its all sandcastles in someones sandbox. someone starts stomping on my sandcastle, i punch them in the face.

@Nadezdha
Too little, too late. as for its our job to be bullied - zoners gladly asked for it.

I dont. I wont be bullied. as said, stomp on my sandcastle, and you get hit.

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Offline Daedric
10-10-2011, 09:51 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-10-2011, 10:21 PM by Daedric.)
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' Wrote:@Doc

Im not quitting. I hate this job, I dislike zoner RP as you guys have made it - but im on a crusade, and I made a promise, so hell, i guess I gotta follow through - even if that means the wheels come off, and im just driving a metal box off a cliff. Im not going anywhere - Im just finally not caring about trying to fit inside the submissive zoner mold - i run this station, and ill run it how i like.

I dont care how OORP it is to fight a house military, or how stomped ill get by corsairs, or whatever. so far, ive smoked the SCRA twice.

its a game, and nothing about it is real. its all sandcastles in someones sandbox. someone starts stomping on my sandcastle, i punch them in the face.

Ironically it isn't Zoner RP as we've made it. It is Zoner RP as vanilla dictates that you dislike. Why do you feel the need to continue to play a faction whose lore and RP you don't like or agree with?

If you don't want to role play the faction, move on.

Not sure why exactly you're making a big deal out of it. You've not had an issue at One for awhile and it has been rather quite. Nor do I think you've done a bad job there, figure I have to say that since you might think I think otherwise.

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Offline Vito
10-10-2011, 09:56 PM,
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' Wrote:I dont. I wont be bullied. as said, stomp on my sandcastle, and you get hit.

Didn't you say, like 2 days ago, you won't go lolicroner on anyone?

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