What it Takes to Kill a Lane Hacker Light Fighter

[Equinox]

Now this is fun. When I helped start ICO I didn't think people would climb up their own a*ses just to make us look bad, but I guess we did something right for all this attention. An, of course, I do so love it when strangers try and tell us what our polocies are and what kind of guys we are. Because who could possibly know us better than people with second-hand information?

We have said our peace about this. If anybody has anymore questions feel free to PM one of us directally. Your feeding frenzy is over, people. Get back to gaming.

I think most people have got this impression from your own members, not just second hand information, anyone can read blackdragon0083s replays to this thread and it pretty much sums up ICO for me and for the rest of the people in this thread judging by peoples reply's.

You don't care for RP, as long as you win its ok to do what the hell you like, bring the biggest cap you have to kill that little light fighter, who cares about fair play lets just get the kill.

Ive seen and could probably get screen shots of one of your guys saying why they changed ID to BH, guess what the reason was? not for RP thats for sure. No it was so you can fly caps.

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[RingoW]

This time i have and advise for LH. Instead of discussing, pull out the bomber or VHF's and show them how weak capships can be. It may convice them to reduce the number of caps for the favor of escorting fighters.
You cannot expect all caps will be turned into fighters and why should they. A BC or Destroyer is always a good support if GB's are showing up.

Respectful
AoM

[blackdragon0083]

do i have to start quoting myself for you ppl to sece putting words in my mouth. look this is convenit for you and you are going to warp the facts in anyway you wish. let me clerafir some thinggs. then this ICO flamefest will end right now. and i mean it.

ICO started in liberty we started assesting liberty first and have been ever scence. we had one member who went out on his own and tried to ally with the corsears this was his own action and he tried to speak for all of ICO in this matter. ICO dose not ally with unlawful factions it is that simple. this member was tried puplicly and he was removed from ICO. ICO has the folowing vessles (and gray shut up i know but it is just a game and it is not a big secret.)

2xBHBC one is unreliabel at the moment.
1x BH distroyer.
1x liberty Gunboat
1x orca gunboat
2x tiedan bombers
1x ravens talion VHF
2x ravens claw VHF
3x container transports
2x adv trains
3x arwing LF

a daly profit gross of about 300 mil with 100 mil beng made every hour
we have 11 members only two are publicly on ICO accounts at any one time. 8 of these members are active daly, we primarly use the milatary id are SA division uses BH ids. and are trade division uses trader ids.

we are not turn coats we are not bountyhunters, not all of us. ICO is a indapendent police organazation that piret hunts in liberty space without charging the liberty forces. we are subcontracted and recive support from the BHG in exchange for a sirvice that will be provided in the futher. we provide the following sirvices. piret hunting and emergency assistence. free of charge. trader escort 800K a vessle sirvice provided untell your run is complete. bounty hunting. only if the crime on you was pirticurly heanius and we charge a mear 1 credit for are sirvice.

in are history we have only gone after 2 bounty contracts. one was NA buster, partily becuse he was an ex member, secondly becuse he was reportedly lureng traders with promis of escort then distroying them when thay got close, this was lator proven false and the contract was invaladated, second was OW dantheman becuse he was pvp whoring without any form of RP and was ignoring the reengagement rule.

as for the LH that sanction was brought about by are recklessness and we payed for it, it is dead now, it was only reported becuse we refuse to pay the LH money so thay wouldent report us. as for the LPI thing. corsear terrets are avalibel for pirchise on BH and zoner bases. as indapendent weapion sals by a nutral party and as salvige by the guilds war on pirets. therfor it can be roleplayed as to how the corsear terrets where mounted on havics ship, we are not corsear spis, never will be. we have no intention to betray anybody never did, but whin a LPI office is threating to spred slander saying that we are affileated with pirets and that he would get the LSF to kill us if we dident pay him money? yeha we are a little tempted to weed out some of the couupt players in liberty. as for thie whole thing that started this topic. we did not go hunting for LH in caps, we came to fight an unknown enimy with unknown alles in caps, and ewhatever forces we could find on short notice, no we dont care enough about the precius misguided lanehackers to set back and record every ship thay have.

infact if you must know ICOs last run in with the LH was with the LH vengince withc is a spyglass battleship. it distroioyed a ICO cruser a PRF figther, a ICO transport, and 2 ICO bombers in california. and every run in with LH scence then has been a GB. given are past experince with the LH oh yeha we are bringing caps. now why dont you all refreighn from shooting your mouths off before learning all the facts.

i am so sick of ppl demionizing and warping the viwes and opionins other ppl just becuse thay have a pirsonal grudge. and i am eaquily sick of ppl buying into this crap without looking at both sides of the fence.

now this subject is dead. i am done castingmyself to the wolves to protect the names and intentions of my members and frends. you want to hate ICO go ahead but take you hate out in the game. and leave whatever you fill about the pirson behinfd the controls out of it.

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If I die bury me with a rocket luancher, and a shotgun. I am going to have some house cleaning to do.

[frozen]

ya know, out of all that you wrote there, half of the info contradicts the ICo in many ways. but one things fer sure.

this thread is about the cap spammage, not issues with the ICO (heck, if such a thread was made, discussion may become endless), so, get back on topic y'all.

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[RingoW]

It has needed 7 pages til you came out with a useful sheet and something that could be considered as faction proposal. Posting this sooner would have avoided much confusion and misunderstanding.
Maybe you was concerned the community will know ICO are formed of the remnants of NA, because of the misbehavior of former members.
I can understand this, but in this case it was not helpful for all.

The turret thing hopefully will be fixed with the next version of Disco to make Order and Corsair turrets available for them and their allies only. You could replace the corair turrets with Zoner turrets. They have the same stats. Its an easy way to go with 300 mill plus per day.

The Arwings are a big no no. They are Corsair fighters available on Corsair base. You would get sanctioned for, when using them, i guess.

Respectful
AoM

edit: Please take this as helpful advises.

[blackdragon0083]

me and damion ARE ICO we created it along with two other members. WHO the hell are you to tell us who we are and what ICO cntradicts. you are not ICO, you are not privy (before that last post) as to what ICO was and what ico is composed of. you have no idae of what are plans are and how we conduct areseves. if you did you and meny of the other ppl hear wouldent be worng witch thay are.

as i have just proven that we have ships other than caps, thay outnumber the caps, most of are members dont fly caps, (even though thay want to.) we just use them in every engagement becuse thay are are persnel flagships. you guys like fighters i like caps it is as simple as that. now stop telling me how i shold run my faction and stop trying to tell ppl what we are as if you know cuse you dont. you are just as clueless as to the workings of ICO as any other non ICO member. as sead before stop trying to put words in are mouths.

EDIT tkan you AOM the constructive criticizium is appreaceated, the terrets allready have been replaced and we will now replce the arewings with are more lawfulay avalibel craft. you advice is appreceated.

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If I die bury me with a rocket luancher, and a shotgun. I am going to have some house cleaning to do.

[Othman]

Remember the title of the thread?
*What it takes to Kill a LH LF*

Now this is not the correct place to personalize the event with ICO. Yuri has good points in his reply and the thing is I have objected something from the beginning. Trying to hunt a light fighter in a capital ship. Note that this is a personal objection since there ain't an enforcement to prevent such an action.

I have always backed up individuals and small groups in Liberty who are willing to aid the common will for preserving the safety of Liberty Code of Law. The reason why Virus made this thread is I believe he wanted to reveal his own opinion about something, that is facing a horde of capital ships against their small group hurt the fun and ambition of them at all. Now, we can only comment here because I personally do not know the exact details of the event. What I can and try is to solely comment on the impression I recieve from this thread. No, this is not an ICO flamefest thread. The reason ICO's name were mentioned here is probably because the witnesses gave the people the impression to do so. Anyway, we have lots of individuals as AoM has asserted in her previous reply, who actually slightly lack the RP reason to operate in these big toys. Again we need to note these down as personal opinion. Having a Liberty IFF and a proper ID enables a person to fly these big ships. Only thing we could hope for is waiting people to get more familiar with how things proceed here and at least fulfill a decent RP background for their vessels.

Remember that, we are not talking about a PVP server. We need to see the RP from a person. People could have mistakes or small flaws in the beginning. This should not mean the right for other people to bash on them and discourage with everything they have in their hands just because they are slightly older than them in this community. But we also need to preserve the decency of Roleplay here and thats why the debates could take lots of threads and pages with lots of people commenting in with their own ideas.

In the Rheinland mercenary ban, I personally thought that they should have marked the problematic mercs as kos instead of inflicting a perma ban on the entire same kind. New York is much more problematic than New Berlin with nearly all kinds of criminals and the chaos triggered by the shadowy mercs. Now, one could say that what if the number of mercs in kos raise to more than you can handle with? Even if we have the willingness and determination to hound these corrupted pilots, there is still the possibility of facing such a risk. One could also say that, one does not have the right to limit one's movement in Sirius. This is debatable since we have some limitations for some IDs. And there is a very recent example about mercs, which is the Rheinland ban case. I can say that, if the number of mercs in our KOS have an uncontrolled raise, we could inflict a ban on mercs in NY.

Now, okay most of the people say BHs are lawful, friendly to house operations which I totally agree. That is what we have in their IDs and description so we should treat them as lawful. But one thing, we must seperate them from the concept of mercenary. If we catch a bounty hunter taking a contract offer from an outlaw affliation, then that BH would be marked as kos too. Simple as that.

So discussing the way how to cope with a LF has caused lots of issues to be disputed in a chain reaction. New York is already too loaded, and we have the LSF and SA active enough to protect Liberty. So am I hinting that I don't want other groups to intervene in our job? Not exactly. They should continue aiding us but without forgetting their boundaries.

EDIT: And a small addition. I think people with the BH IFF should be wearing only BH ID. Not the Mercenary ID. The mercenary ID is being used as a way of exploitation by some people when combined with a lawful IFF. Either give them a mercenary IFF or they should be working for another one. Maybe freelancer or something else. But I just HATE to see people with a lawful IFF or even worse without any IFF holding a mercenary ID and playing for both sides with sole PVP fun without any pinch of RP.

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On the uncharted lagoons of anguish, I sail with a canoe made of my sins.

[Jinx]

constructive post ( finally ) - about BHGs taking unlawful contracts - its not only a reason to kos them, but also to remind them to "read their infocard" - cause they d act against their affiliation.

about limiting ones movement. the mercs ban in rheinland is a roleplay issue. that means, a merc can well enter rheinland - but risks being shot down. ( as opposed as going into rheinland and risk an admin to ban him ) - it might very well be inRP to go to rheinland, even if you are a kos merc.

about liberty - especially new york is packed full with stuff. enough to make a whole microcosmos with ( compared to .. .leeds, which has leeds and a few industrial stations ) - new york has a junkers base, 2 rogue bases, 2 big shipyards, one starting planet, the detroid munition depot that would be a forbidden zone for non militaries and a mining planet, along as zone 21 - and a hub for a "shotcut" to the omicrons.

all that is a lot - and can overwhelm the liberty forces. there are also many factions interested in manhatten, cause routes are often centralized, instead of spread wide around sirius ( i d like it if every house had an equally good legal traderoute and smuggling route )

but it was about capspamming - caps are present in liberty .. alot even, they are patrolling pueblo station - and they are patrolling manhatten, westpoint in cruiser patrols and norfolk in cruiser patrols. there is a lane leading into the badlands - but the station was destroyed in SP.

so - i believe - rheinland and liberty are likely to "capspam" - cause they can - is it fair? no, but there is a reason why rogues, xenos, hackers are put down. - the navy is rather efficient. ( well, as long as it does not concern their secret battleship projects ( spyglass/ osiris ) )

is it good roleplay to move out in capital ships against a minimal thread? - maybe... but not everything that is good roleplay - according to the rules of the faction supports a balanced gaming experience for all. i think its good that the LSF uses mostly fighters - that for sure. but it doesn t mean others have to aswell. its awesome that xoria made the LH to use light fighters - but again, that doesn t mean others must react to that in all fairness. if others roleplay means they come with a twohanded axe to remove a splinter - its fine. in the end, it might not be efficient, but a good comander that has like endless cash can allways argue "allright, the chances that we shoot them down isn t greater than if we move in with a light fighter - but the risk to loose a pilot is about zero" <- and that woudl be good roleplay for a faction that is low on numbers and that considers pilots worth more than military hardware.

what that means is - its up to someone role and roleplay to consider what is and what is not appropriate. and its certainly not up for others to judge whats good or bad. ( unless it breaks rules, and even so, its not upon the players to judge over it ) - for me, most of the playerfactions act greatly out of the role that i think they should take up - but it doesn t matter. things work fine on disco. conflicts are solved or faught out - and for most of it .. its fun.

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[mjolnir]

Remember the title of the thread?
*What it takes to Kill a LH LF*

Looks like some people took it as a challenge.... now I see 5+ Mercs/BHG camping in Magellan... together with the whole CR.
*sigh*

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[Jinx]

tell them the bounty for them is off - and the new bounty includes only RoS members for 4.000.000 / head:laugh:

at least i got cheshire to the taus allready - no reason to fight LHs if its not payed, - and since the bounty for RoS is siriuswide its quite mercs friendly =)

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