are fighters with spyglass/battleship scanners OORP?

[lIceColon]

obviously - why have spyglass if you could just have easily obtainable bs scanners? unless you buff spyglass to like 25k range with 20k cargo scan, otherwise there would be no purpose to having spyglass. ppl use spyglass precisely because it isn't limited to battleships, don't try to take that away pls.

[Omicron]

TL;DR story of the Spyglass scanner

Disco-lore wise, at beggining it is tied with Nomad war.

Liberty forces were producing two experimental battleships with two entirely different approach: one was supposed to be light, small, sneaky - it became the Osiris that The Order stole. Second called "Ragnarok" if I remember right went into opposite direction: huge brick to facilitate the most sophisticated scanner available to mankind at the momenth. Funny it got stolen to.

LNS Ragnarok was aquired by Hellfire Legion who rebranded it as Spyglass class battleships. Important bit: it was neccesity for entire battleship to be built AROUND the scanner itself.

Skipping forward, Black Squadron and Hellfire Legion broke a deal. In exchange for one Osiris hull (HFBS Incursus), HF would grant The Order all blueprints and data about the Spyglass scanner array. With technological advancment of the guys in the black uniforms, it was made possible to shrink it.

The effect is that The Order required to construct just the cruiser sized hull to be built around the scanner. Soon as the plans were made, new class of recon ship was pushed into mass production (well, not the "house spam" grade of course) under name of a Resheph. On another note there is also experimental cruiser in LSF guard system that is Liberty's doing the same.

Conclusion, the only factions capable to utilize the scanner (and on specific ships only INRP) are The Order (Resheph), LN/LSF ("experimental cruiser"), Hellfire Legion (Spyglass/Arbiter) and Lane Hackers (who cannot field Spyglasses to my knowledge anymore).

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[ProwlerPC]

Oh hey sure. The Nomad Alien guns, the biological ones, can be put on human fighters. Let's equip them. Nevermind self control, it's doable, let's do it. What matters is that they can be equipped by human fighters. Please don't take that away.

/sarcasm

edit add: in all seriousness, delete the dam mistake or nerf it.

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[Hidamari]

Oh hey sure. The Nomad Alien guns, the biological ones, can be put on human fighters. Let's equip them. Nevermind self control, it's doable, let's do it. What matters is that they can be equipped by human fighters. Please don't take that away.

/sarcasm

edit add: in all seriousness, delete the dam mistake or nerf it.

which mistake? and im sure if people had access to the nomad guns, we would be having this conversation again.

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[McNeo]

Liberty produces two top secret prototype battleships.

Both were stolen.

2/10 would not build again.

As for spyglass scanner on stuff, no reason to take away toys from people who can afford them. I mean, you are part of the same crowd that believes in the freedom of indies, so why take this away from everybody except those ships Omicron singled out? Doesn't make sense to me. I cant afford them myself.

[Kazinsal]

Some admin green or dev amber would be appreciated on that topic.

It has been my intention for a while to limit the Spyglass Scanner to Spyglass-platform starships (Arbiter, Resheph, and anything SRPed) and to limit Battleship Scanners to battleship-class starships only. I do not yet have the final OK to implement this, but I am continuing to push for it.

Conclusion, the only factions capable to utilize the scanner (and on specific ships only INRP) are The Order (Resheph), LN/LSF ("experimental cruiser"), Hellfire Legion (Spyglass/Arbiter) and Lane Hackers (who cannot field Spyglasses to my knowledge anymore).

Forgot one.

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Retired, permanently.

[Govedo13]

You all care too much about in RP situation ignoring more important stuff like game mechanics and range of CDs,detection range and line speeds.
You should try to pirate BS or spyglass scanner equipped traders on the lines. If the said trader is not retarded he cannot be pirated,sad that you all miss that one.
I fail in that dunno how to counter their extreme range, may be this game breaking feature would speed the things up. I really wonder if the people that add such game breaking stuff ever test it before implementation.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[Jack_Henderson]

It has been my intention for a while to limit the Spyglass Scanner to Spyglass-platform starships (Arbiter, Resheph, and anything SRPed) and to limit Battleship Scanners to battleship-class starships only. I do not yet have the final OK to implement this, but I am continuing to push for it.

So a lot of players wasted hundreds of millions/billions on (then useless) equipment and you destroy the single new money sink that successfully managed to regulate the banks of wealthy players (if you get it your way). Wow.

Cool way to wreck something for doubtful reasons (why would only a Battleship be able to do it? It is some vague, arbitrary, totally random setting - nothing else) that worked to drain these heaps of money that are a problem for the game.

Can't say I like the way you are going.


I agree that the 25k are a powerful. And can be negative for gameplay. So a change is okay:

That's why I suggested to turn today's BS-Scanners into a "widely available, but still 250 million" version that sees 20k. => money sink. Not OP any more.

Then you can have you special Spyglass and BS-scanner as exclusive BS-toys and a new class, without making all those players who invested look like idiots who suddenly can dump their very expensive toys.

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[Hidamari]

Liberty produces two top secret prototype battleships.

Both were stolen.

2/10 would not build again.

As for spyglass scanner on stuff, no reason to take away toys from people who can afford them. I mean, you are part of the same crowd that believes in the freedom of indies, so why take this away from everybody except those ships Omicron singled out? Doesn't make sense to me. I cant afford them myself.

As I stated up there somewhere, I have absolutely no intention on taking away anyones toys, this thread is about my own piece of mind really and thats as far as I wanted it to go. If people can afford them then im not really bothered if they have them, "knock yourselves out" as the saying goes.

I was planning to upgrade 75th ships with these big scanners to make our scout squadron really "complete", however what i didnt want to happen was to do all that trading, all those runs back and forth collecting 3.5 billion credits just for devs to limit the scanners so our scimitars cant even mount them anyway, so we are left with three dozen useless scanners.

and since Kazinsal has just revealed that hes pushing for this tech to be limited im ALREADY worried about the one Battleship scanner we spent 3-4 months saving up for one we own on our cruiser.

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[sindroms]

If ex-miners like Red Hessians can have a battleship or xenos attaining jump drives and cloaks, then I think we can deal with a couple of snubs with BS scanners.

Game mechanics and balance was never intended to be in RP.

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