Voss) Hunting and Escort Feed Back / Information Thread

[Voss) Hunting and Escort]

Liberty forces and corps in Rheinland, where they are considered unlawful is fine, but shooting them in Texas, where they are considered lawful.. well that leads to issues.

I think this has been dealt with and discussed, they are lawful contracts. Therefore, we am lawfuly collecting a bounty contract on the Liberty Lawfuls.

Also, about the splinter group statement as well as the communist, I said it that way for lack of better words. We are still the guild, but we chose a side in the Rheinland-Liberty Conflict. If the Original BHG chose not to, that was their initiative, their prerogative. We are choosing to aid Rheinland, why? In Rp Both of our characters were independent BHG contractors working for Rheinland and found working together and in a group to be more profitable then working alone so we recruited more people and boom thats were we are ( History being put up today too*).

Final Word: We are using the BHG ID and Nothing shy from an Admin coming here in Green Letters telling us other wise will change that. I wish this community would look at change as an opportunity for new and fun Rp and not immediatly as bad. The BHG have a long standing relationship with Liberty, granted, and good for them. We have a different vision for it.

[Zed26]

I think this has been dealt with and discussed, they are lawful contracts.

Not to harp on it or be a total arguecat, but with all due respect - until the admins make a decision, it is also possible that this will be ruled against.

Checking the classification, the BDM board is actually listed as "Quasi-Lawful", most likely because they include transports and list Liberty space as target zones. Although the Bounty Hunters Guild Council has been registered with the BDM board, they also clearly listed their allied status with LN and LPI, so they most likely did not pursue Liberty factions within Liberty (could use some confirmation on that). The only other registered hunter does hang around Liberty space, but uses a Freelancer ID.

If Voss) do want to cut out a grey area, retain their BHG ID, and ensure they are more lawful, but still have LPI/LN/LSF on their hit list within Rheinland (defending from raids, even intercepting Liberty forces that make it into Bering/Hudson/New Hampshire), perhaps it would be more appropriate to sign up for the "Lawful" Rheinland Military board, which many BHG groups have signed up for.

Until an admin ruling is made stretching the interpretation, it seems clear from the wording and nature of the sponsoring faction that the BDM bounties are quasi-lawful.

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[Shizune]

The Bounty Hunters Guild is a mercenary organization operating in numerous systems across the Sirius Sector. They are frequently hired by house corporations, police, and militaries to aid in the protection of trade routes or to take on wanted criminals in search-and-destroy missions.

Bounty Hunters are particularly reviled by criminals because many of them were once pirates themselves. As a result, many Hunters know of the various Jump Hole routes and employ that knowledge in their assignments. They are hated more than most pirates by the Outcasts, but none revile the Hunters as much as the Xenos and Red Hessians.

This is the original bounty hunter description.

Bounty Hunters are particularly reviled by criminals because many of them were once pirates themselves. As a result, many Hunters know of the various Jump Hole routes and employ that knowledge in their assignments.

The Bounty Hunters Guild is a mercenary organization operating in numerous systems across the Sirius Sector.

Current BHG goals

Providing affordable, reliable and wide-ranging security services for corporate, civilian and government parties.
Hunting down and eliminating high and low profile criminal, terrorist and smuggler threats under contract from corporate, civilian or government parties.
Maintaining a presence in all Houses and Borderworlds to facilitate the above goals.
Maintaining corporate relationships with House government and corporate entities.

Utilising licensed personnel, including former affiliates of organised criminal groups granted amnesty, throughout Sirius to serve arrest, apprehend and termination/assassination warrants on targets identified by House or corporate security organisations.
Compiling intelligence on gravitational anomalies used by various smuggling and narco-trafficking collectives and employ ambush tactics to eliminate targets of opportunity that utilise these alternative transport networks.

So honestly Snak3 and everyone else, if you got a problem with your LNS, or indies getting shoot, then go cry else where. Yes your LNS's are not safe now so deal with it. While you can sit there all day and complain that 'oh were lawfuls and can't do that" take another look at who the Bounty Hunters actually are. WE ARE NOT THE OFFICIAL BOUNTY HUNTERS GUILD, WE ARE INDEPENDENTS. If you got a problem with it, then to bad, when the admins decided its been enough then they will step in.

I'm going to say this, we don't need the community telling us what we can and cannot do, that's the admin's and the moderators jobs, not yours. If we want to make a hunter faction which are in fact were Merc's to begin with then we will. As I recall...

Server rules, page 4

2. All faction IDs are allowed to claim bounties within their zone of influence. Generic IDs are only allowed to claim bounties if clearly specified in the ID description.

4. Mercenaries, freelancers and bounty hunters may be hired on the spot in game by non-generic IDed players to assist with a combat without a forum post. The other parties involved in the combat must be made aware of this.

7. All bounties must specify the persons hired to take the bounty before they can start collecting on it. Players using the Bounty Hunter ID may freely claim on lawful bounty boards without the need for registration, unless the board specifically states otherwise.

9. The character registered on a board must be at least neutral to their employer, and hostile to the faction they are targeting in a bounty. This does not apply to assassination missions where the target is a single character. Board owners are obliged to ensure that the persons they are hiring have a suitable reputation. This means no hiring or paying people who would be hostile to you based on previous actions or non-hostile with the targets they claim.


11. Any freelancer or BHG individual or group may only collect on a bounty which that person or group has issued, sponsored or funded (fully or partly) so long as it is open to others to collect. All non-generic factions may sponsor internal bounties that are only open to members of the player or NPC faction.

Were not the original hunters. We are bounty hunters, we are hunting our bounties, we are attempting to shoot for official status however. Again however, Until we get an admin's sign or moderators sign to stop, then we won't, so go destroy another faction

[Fifty.]

I thought you wanted the community's opinion.
People not giving you positive feedback regarding the idea aren't protecting the LNS etc or crying, as you specified, due to the fact they advocate the same activity can be achieved through using the FL ID. Your logic is flawed.
Don't ask for feedback if you can't handle some critique. Don't forget some people support your idea. Some don't. I will quote you:
Deal with it.

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[Haste]

You say you don't really use the BHG ID for tech.

You don't want to roleplay anything like the BHG NPC faction that you're expected to represent when using its ID.

The BHG ID makes repping your ships for the intended purpose of shooting liberty lawfuls unnecessarily complicated.

Seriously, why are you using the BHG ID over the Freelancer ID? The latter makes it easier for you to set up ships and makes sure there is no debate whatsoever about the legitimacy of your actions server rule-wise.

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[Zed26]

So honestly Snak3 and everyone else, if you got a problem with your LNS, or indies getting shoot, then go cry else where. Yes your LNS's are not safe now so deal with it.

Despite being in the leadership of DSE), I'm not mad or threatened. On the contrary, I have, at times, worked to keep members on their toes and review their performance with incognito pirates to gauge their performance - silent trading, cargo piracy, low/medium/high demands, reactions to getting shot, etc.

However, I feel it's in poor form to attack new and/or lower-level traders or LN/LPI/LSF who have no idea what's going on or expect to be safe around players with BHG IDs. I'm not sure about the whole story - and I'll promptly remove this if I'm wrong - but I noticed a group of LPI players in the lower Rank 30's died in California the other day while you were in the same system.

Signing up for a bounty board invests a great deal of power in a player with a Freelancer ID - arguably more than those with BHG IDs as there's no forced rep. The only drawback is the predetermined ZOIs set by the board, but those can be expanded by registering for multiple boards.

It is entirely possible to still RP that the group is a splinter faction from the BHG with the Freelancer ID and a little bit of imagination. If officialdom is a goal, an application for a unique ID fitting what you want is entirely possible - just look at the [AI] Consensus and other recently official factions working on putting theirs together.

I am still unsure of why the Freelancer ID cannot be used - especially if members have already stated that they do not mind 75% core nerfs. An eventual unique ID can actually allow you to choose a broad selection of 75%-100% cells from multiple factions based on your RP and only requires using the Freelancer ID for now. The BHG ID, however, will most likely remain balanced as it is to account for independent BHG players - not that it's impossible, but there will be more resistance - especially if it involves cutting out Liberty Lawful tech.

Regardless of any other arguments, keep this in mind: despite any admin rulings and you gaining official status, it is very likely the devs will say "no" to making such adjustments to ID descriptions, rephacks and tech/shipnerf plugins.

Once again, yes, you are free to use the BHG ID pending an admin response, but a great deal of the heat here would go away and people could get to focusing on other issues if the group simply swapped to a Freelancer ID for now. Don't think of the change as rolling over, appearing weak, or spineless appeasement. I'm sure the rest of us are willing to use our imagination and accept your group not as generic Freelancers due to the ID, but the splinter BHG group you want to be by merit of your RP.

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[Sath]

So honestly Snak3 and everyone else, if you got a problem with your LNS, or indies getting shoot, then go cry else where. Yes your LNS's are not safe now so deal with it..........I'm going to say this, we don't need the community telling us what we can and cannot do, that's the admin's and the moderators jobs, not yours.

The best faction feedback response I have ever read.

You were the 112th| too right? I remember them being trigger happy, bringing in battleships in the middle of fair fights and instaing snubs in battleships with just 1 sentence in the line of "hey corsair, want some metal?" Trying to recreate that?

So, your real motive is to use BHG tech...as far as you have spoken/ranted about it.

[Shizune]

So honestly Snak3 and everyone else, if you got a problem with your LNS, or indies getting shoot, then go cry else where. Yes your LNS's are not safe now so deal with it..........I'm going to say this, we don't need the community telling us what we can and cannot do, that's the admin's and the moderators jobs, not yours.

The best faction feedback response I have ever read.

You were the 112th| too right? I remember them being trigger happy, bringing in battleships in the middle of fair fights and instaing snubs in battleships with just 1 sentence in the line of "hey corsair, want some metal?" Trying to recreate that?

So, your real motive is to use BHG tech...as far as you have spoken/ranted about it.

Wasn't but its nice to know you think that way. I'd like to know how you think one post means I'm part of something bigger but then again, I don't expect any less from this server anymore. *shruges*

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[Fifty.]

You are totally ignoring the part where you ask for opinion and then tell people they can't give opinions and can't tell you what to do.

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[SnakThree]

It's funny how you mention "my" LNS without even having idea whether I have Liberty Navy characters or not. Which I did not before today.

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