How much influence do indys have nowadays?

[Sarawr!?]

I've been sorta looking at this thread for a couple of days.

Basically, anybody, indie or "official" has the same opportunity to be involved in RP, and to have their RP affect the outcome of large events, or political situations what-have-you, so long as what they're doing is something that makes sense.

So again, as long as a person roleplays well, and what they're doing is something understandable, or something that makes sense and is interesting to the parties involved, then it really doesn't matter whether that person is an "indie" or "official faction member".

Or at least it shouldn't matter. Honestly I'm surprised there's still a debate about "Official faction influence vs indie influence".

Also, there is a most definite difference between inRP influence and OORP influence.

inRP influence relies mostly upon the things I mentioned above. At the start, an "Indie military faction" is more or less the same as an "official military faction". This changes over time as people interact with them and come to believe that they either do or don't "Do things right", this also changes for official factions as well.

OORP influence however, mostly comes from whether or not an individual player or group of players are agreeable, doing decent things and behaving decently overall, and also if they're easy to get along with.

When you're likable, people want to listen to you more, and associate with you more, that's a fact...and really it's common sense.

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[Thyrzul]

Urgh.

Lets try baby steps.

The question was: "What do you want to do to fix what you are complaining about?"

You were expressing dis-satisfaction with how official factions are treated compared to indies. If you are going to complain, you should at least offer a solution. No "maybe if thats like this then maybe that", but a concrete thing that you want done. If you don't know, and you dont even know which course of action you want taken, then stop complaining.

Instead, you beat around the bush lacking the courage to say what you want, maybe because you are unable to defend any of your demands, and you answer the question "do you want admins/devs to do this so that you will stop whining, or do you not)" with an empty phrase like "oh you know, its not all black and white but shades of grey". Well if you can't even answer that simple question, how do you want people to put serious consideration to your whining about poor official factions?

Baby steps you say? How about you read back to what I wrote earlier?

everybody should be responsible for their actions. Indies for their own, officials for their own.

I told you I've already expressed what I wanted, but you failed to notice it. If you keep ignoring what others say, how do you expect anybody to take you seriously?

First you complain that official factions have to abide to standards, then you turn around "oh but the standards arent hard to follow" when you talk about how indies should follow them.

I also mentioned that those standards are part of the lores and IDs indies are to follow just as well, but again you keep ignoring certain bits while emphasizing others, taking things out of context, like you could mistranslate what I wrote. Do you still believe that it works? Really?

I'm not defending anyone who acts out of lore or out of character, I'm defending indies who don't do that from being punished for things they didn't do. If caps get restricted to official factions, those indies would. Any individual who acts out of lore or out of character should be made responsible for it, because doing that is actually against the rules. If the admins don't hold them responsible, you may complain to them (or to us, if you want) with concrete examples. Generally, renaming your ship or deleting it and continuing to play on another one doesn't save you from a sanction because there are several ways to find out about it. As if you didnt know.

That's quite an idealistic view on how the things go. Sometimes I think like that too. Other times I realize that the world, and pretty much anything in it, including this community and this system, doesn't work like that and what may be possible in theory isn't always possible in reality too. By my experiences it has to be a really exceptional case if Admins go after renaming individuals, and such cases are mostly about serious server rule breaches, basically nothing related to roleplay.

But hey, aren't you a prime example of how easy it is to circumvent Admin punishments?

And if they don't answer, take it as a yes?

Wait, so your philosophy is that if it's not outright forbidden, then it's allowed? Is that why you keep coming back, didn't Admins tell you in the past why they keep banning all your alts?

If it's the renaming and doing the same thing again that you're worried about... forcing someone to rename is a punishment because you're destroying their char and existing RP of that ship. That hurts if they enjoyed playing the char, I feel it every time admins ban my ingame accounts. If they dont care for RP and do the same thing again, admins step up the punishments every time someone misbehaves, that goes for everyone (well, it should theoretically).

Destroying their char and existing RP, lol, most of indies do not know and/or care about what these terms mean. If somebody is roleplaying, building up a character, and is really caring about it then they should also care about the consequences their characters might suffer for the actions their characters have taken. And if the player decides to rename anyways, oh well, the punishment most probably didn't hurt that much. Again, we all know how it should be theoretically, but we also know the results shouldn't be like how they are now... theoretically. Either there is something wrong with our theories, or reality doesn't follow theory again.

Like it's everyone's duty to read all of Master Thyrzul's posts and memorize everything he ever said. Here, you brought up that example to justify your demand of more power/advantages to official factions (which would do nothing what so ever to fix this), instead of asking for the REAL solution of that particular problem.

Nope, it's not your duty to do so, but it helps a lot to retain your credibility if you do some research prior to accusing people falsely.

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[n00bl3t]

I've been sorta looking at this thread for a couple of days.

Yeah, me too. It looks oh so familiar.

Can't imagine where I've seen it before though.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Echo 7-7]

I've been sorta looking at this thread for a couple of days.

Yeah, me too. It looks oh so familiar.

Can't imagine where I've seen it before though.

Sweet mother of welcome-back-from-the-dead.

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There was a sig here, once.

[n00bl3t]

I've been sorta looking at this thread for a couple of days.

Yeah, me too. It looks oh so familiar.

Can't imagine where I've seen it before though.

Sweet mother of welcome-back-from-the-dead.

I don't think I've ever fully left. (Just been a bit more careful about when I should log on.)

Playing poor seems to be healthier. (As an independent, causing wars between Kusari and Liberty is quite entertaining.)

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.