Admin Notice: ZOI changes for RM, BDM, BAF and BIS. (Feedback Time)

[Laura C.]

There should be places [...] where there is no law aside from the law of the gun.

There is no "Free Space" if you don't something in Theta the Sairs, don't like, they will roll in on you, if you do something the Order doesn't like, they will roll in on you, if you do something the GMG doesn't like, they will roll in on you. If you do something the Jellies don't like, they will roll in on you, if you do something the OC don't like, they will roll in on you. If you do something the Zoners don't like, they will roll in on you.

This sure sounds like "law of the gun" to me.

Yea, except you can bet if I get into a fight with the BAF or RM I will be red to them all over their house space pretty quickly. That is the law of law and jurisdiction, not the law of the gun.

But what you really require then is actually world free from roleplay consequencies, not free from control. It´s entirely different thing. You want to be allowed to shoot sheriff´s men and then still be able to come to town as law abiding guy. Things did not work on the wild west this way, I am sure you remember the famous "wanted" posters.

By the way, funily enough, houses lawfuls are only one who are restricted by rules in doing roleplay consequencies, everyone else is allowed to make them for everything regardless of where or to whom it happens.

Rheinland claims Omega 7 and even has a bloody STATIONARY BATTLESHIP there.

Little correction, battleship got towed elsewhere, there is RFP station instead of it now

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On a ragebreak. Or ragequit. Time will tell.

[Zelot]

There should be places [...] where there is no law aside from the law of the gun.

There is no "Free Space" if you don't something in Theta the Sairs, don't like, they will roll in on you, if you do something the Order doesn't like, they will roll in on you, if you do something the GMG doesn't like, they will roll in on you. If you do something the Jellies don't like, they will roll in on you, if you do something the OC don't like, they will roll in on you. If you do something the Zoners don't like, they will roll in on you.

This sure sounds like "law of the gun" to me.

Yea, except you can bet if I get into a fight with the BAF or RM I will be red to them all over their house space pretty quickly. That is the law of law and jurisdiction, not the law of the gun.

But what you really require then is actually world free from roleplay consequencies, not free from control. It´s entirely different thing. You want to be allowed to shoot sheriff´s men and then still be able to come to town as law abiding guy. Things did not work on the wild west this way, I am sure you remember the famous "wanted" posters.

By the way, funily enough, houses lawfuls are only one who are restricted by rules in doing roleplay consequencies, everyone else is allowed to make them for everything regardless of where or to whom it happens.

Rheinland claims Omega 7 and even has a bloody STATIONARY BATTLESHIP there.

Little correction, battleship got towed elsewhere, there is RFP station instead of it now

No, I don't want the Sheriff from several towns away to come over to my house and kick in the door. To go along with your analogy.

[oZoneRanger(III)]

Sometimes, you can just look at the ingredients and tell that the soup is gonna taste like crap.

How long is the test going to last?
Does any RP that happens during this test, get reverted if the test is not implemented?
After the Test, will faction leaders affected be given the chance to voice an opinion before a final decision is made?

I mostly agree with Jack and totally agree with Zelot on this.

[Thyrzul]

Yea, except you can bet if I get into a fight with the BAF or RM I will be red to them all over their house space pretty quickly. That is the law of law and jurisdiction, not the law of the gun.

Evil houses locking you out of their homes after you shot at them, how dare they?

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[Zelot]

Yea, except you can bet if I get into a fight with the BAF or RM I will be red to them all over their house space pretty quickly. That is the law of law and jurisdiction, not the law of the gun.

Evil houses locking you out of their homes after you shot at them, how dare they?

Yea, but this is part of the problem, they aren't in their House, they are outside their house, in the wilds and there is no rp consequence to the expansion for the house, but lots of it for everyone else involved. The House gets to smash down on the independent systems and the independent players. But at the end of the day, this isn't about what House government would really do in rp, it's about creating a server that has a balance of different rp's and if we don't give rp's that don't benefit the houses room to grow, we wont have it.

In the Disco of ever expanding ZOI's and Cloaks, it is too easy to find in rp ways to stop role play that the official factions don't like. The official factions used to have responsibility to do things for the benifit of the server as a whole, now they have the responsibility to do things for their members. The admins are the only ones who are no in a position to try to protect unique roleplay on the server. The factions sure aren't going to do it.

[Mannock]

Yep Zelot I must agree when you did it was funny but when others do to you is not. Here we have another problem about selective memory. Very nice!!!

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[Friday]

Yep Zelot I must agree when you did it was funny but when others do to you is not. Here we have another problem about selective memory. Very nice!!!

I was there, but I say let bygones be bygones - and focus on what is here and now.

From my perspective in the GMG, I've fought alongside Kusari in Honshu against Hispanic pirates, and fought against them when we were under blockade. I've shot up Rheinland caps wandering into Sigma-13 big-noting themselves, and went on to be a part of formal peace talks.

Things can change, and it can generate some pretty intense flames! The real question is how the change is handled. If Bretonia and Rheinland are serious about expanding into the Omegas, and pushing out the IMG - the IMG needs to start getting creative in their diplomacy (if they are not able to push back directly).

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

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[Zelot]

Yep Zelot I must agree when you did it was funny but when others do to you is not. Here we have another problem about selective memory. Very nice!!!

This isn't about Zoners. La la la Zoners. Zoners are a house too. That isn't what I am talking about, I am talking about non-npc faction rp, non-npc indy rp. The Zoners have bases and power all around. This is about FL groups and individuals who don't have bases to dock on other than FL bases and don't have lots of big ships to fight back with because of thier limited ID. They can run and hide when it comes to the Houses, but if the houses can reach everywhere, there is no-where to run and hide.

But hey, let's twist things around so that you can bring up a six year old grudge. Oh, and so we can let the Zoners play the victim card yet again.

[Croft]

Do keep in mind that even without this addition both sides could still potentially follow someone until the next House, they just couldn't act. Though nothing prevents them taking proof of someone docking on Freeport 1 or calling in backup from their opposite, the only choice for escape remains the same.

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[Jack_Henderson]

Do keep in mind that even without this addition both sides could still potentially follow someone until the next House, they just couldn't act. Though nothing prevents them taking proof of someone docking on Freeport 1 or calling in backup from their opposite, the only choice for escape remains the same.

Just that a RM taking a docking screenshot of a Hessian on FP1 would not be legitimate to force roleplay consequences, as - in the past - the RM had no ZoI there. Therefore he can take the screenshot, but he cannot do anything with it and there cannot be roleplay consequences because he is out of ZoI.

- House Miltary, Police and Intelligence factions may enforce roleplay consequences only for actions occurring within their ZOI.

So yes, this extension makes a huge difference because now (depending on how you interpret the rules), exactly this "I screen and have consequences follow" might be possible now.

A more detailled discussion of exactly these cases can be found here: http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=146453